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Cont: Trump’s Coup - Part 2

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I see that Pelosi is determined to start impeachment process on Monday if the 25th Amendment isn't invoked or if Trump doesn't resign. Kevin McCarthy is desperately trying to prevent that. He says that is too divisive.
 
Dr. Keith said:
I've got good money on "Molotov Cocktails are not bombs" so you people better not get lazy on the pedantry I've come to expect from your lot.
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I forgot about those. You're right.

I wish to revise and extend my previous remarks.

Molotov cocktails were found in the Capitol. They were not ignited or thrown.


To answer a previous quesiton, sealioning is the act of pretending to argue in good faith. A common form of sealioning is demanding answers to a long series of questions without ever addressing the primary issues of the argument.
 
Planigale said:
I would accept Molotov cocktails as bombs. Were there Molotov cocktails thrown in the capitol? (I'd better go and google that before darat sends me another helpful link.)

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No Molotov cocktails thrown in or at the capitol?
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Your google is weak.

Probably just a man out walking his dogma.
 
Babbylonian said:
Yes, they were protecting all such people behind them against a violent mob. Would you suggest they just stand aside, maybe hand out visitor badges to the mob trying to reach the legislators and their staffs?

"Come on through, ma'am. You'll find most of Congress down the hall on the right. If you turn left, Vice President Pence will be behind the third door on the right. Be careful of the Secret Service agents! Have a nice day!"
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No I would say pepper spray, taser, strike with a baton, hand cuff.
 
Planigale said:
That is where we have a difference. You think breaking the law sufficient reason to kill someone. I do not.
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And you think shooting at someone automatically kills them. I know better. The assault on Congress was halted at the choke point, the very last chance to stop the mob that PUT A GALLOWS ON THE CAPITOL LAWN. You'd be condemning death either way, whether it's of the mob finding out their targets are defended, or that mob finding their targets are undefended and stringing up as many as they please.
 
Planigale said:
What is sealioning?

Might is the operative word. Still miss the significance of the backpack. I may be ignorant or naive or stupid but you could still explain the facts as you see them.

Inner sanctum is an interesting term. It is just a room. A room with people in. People who are the same as any other people. Actually the same as the person trying to climb in. Fundamentally her life is as valuable as any senator or congressman. In general killing people to suppress a riot is not regarded as good policing.
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THERE... WERE... PIPE... BOMBS... AND... MOLOTOV... COCKTAILS... DEPOSITED.... DURING... THE... ACTUAL... ATTEMPT... TO... OVERTURN... A... DEMOCRATIC... DECISION


You don't need to give terrorists the benefit of the doubt when they are engaged in a violent attack.

If she was a suicide bomber, do you wait until you are sure?
When she's already demonstrated that she is engaging in a terrorist attack?
 
Meadmaker said:
I forgot about those. You're right.

I wish to revise and extend my previous remarks.

Molotov cocktails were found in the Capitol. They were not ignited or thrown.


To answer a previous quesiton, sealioning is the act of pretending to argue in good faith. A common form of sealioning is demanding answers to a long series of questions without ever addressing the primary issues of the argument.
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Expect a correction that the protestor with the Cocktails was merely among the protestors near the capitol building and had not yet entered the building. Also, the cocktails were not yet assembled, but since assembly and deployment seem tightly connected, I don't see why that matters much. But offer you this glimpse into your future . . . free of charge.
 
Planigale said:
I would hope they are sworn to uphold the law, and protect all people regardless of race, sex, religion or job.
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Yes, and protection sometimes means using deadly force in self-defense and in defense of those whom they are sworn to protect. If you don't want to get shot, don't violently storm a govt building with hundreds of others, then attempt to access a chamber even though you were warned against it; inside are number of armed men pointing guns at you, completely unsure of your intent, because, you know, riot. She brought violence with her, and it was returned. Such things occur in an insurrection. This is a sad fact.
 
Planigale said:
I would hope they are sworn to uphold the law, and protect all people regardless of race, sex, religion or job.
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Except those people who pose some level of risk of being a danger to some person or persons. You're *not* going to to protect a person if, by doing so, that person may well wind up harming another.
 
Planigale said:
That is where we have a difference. You think breaking the law sufficient reason to kill someone. I do not.
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That is a complete misreading of SGM's statement.

Her statement:
They were, that's why they shot the lawbreaker threatening the people they were sworn to protect.
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The key word in the sentence is not "lawbreaker". The key word is "threatening". Ashli Babbit was not killed because she broke the law. She was killed because she, and the mob behind her, presented a real threat to the Congressmen inside the House chamber.

Using the "reasonable person" standard of self defense and justification of the use of deadly force, a reasonable person would conclude that the Congressmen were in danger of death or great bodily harm. Under those circumstances, lethal force is justified in self defense or the defense of others.

I'm not happy that she's dead, but, based on the evidence available to us, killing her was justified.
 
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