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Cont: Trump’s Coup - Part 2

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Resume said:
Indeed.

Considering all the costumes though, maybe the imps were just trick or treating. Some of them got tricked, however.

Violent insurrectionists violently stormed a govt building, and received violence in return. Who'd have ever thunk?
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Sadly as someone mentioned before this is a prime example of “privilege” in the real world. They are so used to doing whatever they want without personal consequence they have come to believe what they do - whatever it is - is the right thing to do.
 
This woman gambled that law enforcement wouldn't defend and protect the legislative body as they are sworn to do.

She was wrong.
 
pgwenthold said:
You've said something here that is very critical.

Up until then, they were all treating it like a game. Trump, the congress critters grandstanding their objections and the "protestors." It was a all a game.

For some people, especially the senators, it suddenly became real. When they are being hauled off by security to a secure location for their protection and that of the vice president, suddenly it became far more apparent about the real "threat to democracy."

When Ted Cruz was in college, he was a national champion debater. That means he can take any position and defend it, regardless of whether he believes it or not. He's a master at rhetoric. It has nothing to do with principles.
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Look at all those MAGA Civil War 1-6-21 sweatshirts, they are what fans of Marvel films would wear to a premier of the latest Marvel movie. It is like I say above what privilege is all about.
 
Darat said:
Sadly as someone mentioned before this is a prime example of “privilege” in the real world. They are so used to doing whatever they want without personal consequence they have come to believe what they do - whatever it is - is the right thing to do.
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Some of the privileged learned they weren't all that privileged.

ETA: Still, I don't think there were any lessons learned.

ETA II: Just look at that Elizabeth from Tennessee, who was shocked and dismayed at being maced for, in her own words, storming the Capitol in a revolution.

I actively dislike these people snowflakes.
 
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The idiot who was shot to death should have been a statistic, a single name lost within the dozens of other names of terrorists killed during their attack on our government.
 
JoeMorgue said:
"You accept that"

Who cares? It's reality. It's what happened. There's nothing for you to accept about it. Again why not go learn the most basic facts about this event before sealioning your way through a discussion about it?

This is not real. A human being is not sitting here lamb bleating about how they simply can't comprehend (not agree or disagree with but literally lack the mental framework to even comprehend) why trying to force your way into the inner sanctum of Congress with a backpack in the middle of a violent riot is something that might require a deadly response.
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What is sealioning?

Might is the operative word. Still miss the significance of the backpack. I may be ignorant or naive or stupid but you could still explain the facts as you see them.

Inner sanctum is an interesting term. It is just a room. A room with people in. People who are the same as any other people. Actually the same as the person trying to climb in. Fundamentally her life is as valuable as any senator or congressman. In general killing people to suppress a riot is not regarded as good policing.
 
Planigale said:
People are obviously keen to educate me. So can I ask a couple of questions?

Were any shot fired by the rioters in the capitol?
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None have been reported.


Were the pipe bombs planted in the capitol?
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Not that I am aware of. There were pipe bombs discovered at other government buildings. Some were reported before the storming of the Capitol, so the police would probably have been aware that explosives had been planted elsewhere.


Do we have any figures for how many people were wandering the corridors of the capitol?
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None have been released. Videos show hundreds of people in the rotunda and in corridors. There were enough that one woman was trampled to death in the crush of people.

Is there a link to how the unfortunate police officer was injured / killed?
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No official cause has been released from any official source, but a New York Times headline said he was hit with a fire extinguisher during a violent altercation with protestors.
 
Planigale said:
People are obviously keen to educate me. So can I ask a couple of questions?

Were any shot fired by the rioters in the capitol?

Were the pipe bombs planted in the capitol?

Do we have any figures for how many people were wandering the corridors of the capitol?

Is there a link to how the unfortunate police officer was injured / killed?
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Good place to start.
 
Resume said:
This woman gambled that law enforcement wouldn't defend and protect the legislative body as they are sworn to do.

She was wrong.
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I would hope they are sworn to uphold the law, and protect all people regardless of race, sex, religion or job.
 
jimbob said:
Still don't see why it's not felony murder.
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It might be. But this I think might be an impractical application of that law. You want hundreds of people to face felony murder charges? Where then does the application of that law stop?
 
Dr. Keith said:
I've got good money on "Molotov Cocktails are not bombs" so you people better not get lazy on the pedantry I've come to expect from your lot.
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I would accept Molotov cocktails as bombs. Were there Molotov cocktails thrown in the capitol? (I'd better go and google that before darat sends me another helpful link.)

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No Molotov cocktails thrown in or at the capitol?
 
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An execution is an act of punishment. The shooting discussed was an act of defense. One might argue deadly force to defend was not necessary--I don't agree, but even if somehow that were true, it would still not be an execution.

"I shot that person and didn't need to" is not the same as "They have committed a crime and I am now punishing them for it with my gun."

The intent was to stop the person, not administer justice.
 
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Planigale said:
I would hope they are sworn to uphold the law, and protect all people regardless of race, sex, religion or job.
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Yes, they were protecting all such people behind them against a violent mob. Would you suggest they just stand aside, maybe hand out visitor badges to the mob trying to reach the legislators and their staffs?

"Come on through, ma'am. You'll find most of Congress down the hall on the right. If you turn left, Vice President Pence will be behind the third door on the right. Be careful of the Secret Service agents! Have a nice day!"
 
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