Regnad Kcin
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I appreciate the correction and addition to my knowledge.
Cont: Trump’s Coup - Part 2
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I appreciate the correction and addition to my knowledge.
Thermal
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Our summer rioters beg to differ.
Vixen
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I captured these images.
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Vixen
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I wondered about that. My conclusion is that Q Shaman Chansley had his own photographer along. Kinda PR for his modelling portfolio.
Thermal
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Switch out for some Docksiders and it's a presentable business casual.
I really want to know what that solid black Thor Hammer tattoo is covering up. An old "Feel The Bern"? Maybe a My Little Pony?
Might be covering up for My Little Penis.
acbytesla
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There are certainly some, even most that are unreachable. So were many of my sales prospects. But not all. I just know when you start the discussion with "you're stupid", chances of closing the sale are slim and none.
I'm looking at changing the minds of maybe 15 percent of them.
EHocking
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The Good Book also called for god-fearing people to also make sacrifices of said dumb animals.
Preach!
dudalb
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If True, the woman in this story needs to stop worrying about assault charges, and start worrying about Espionage charges.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-protests-cyber/woman-may-have-tried-to-sell-pelosi-computer-device-to-russians-fbi-says-idUSKBN29N1KU
Even if nothing on the computer was sensitive information, trying to it to the Russans is a felony charge.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-protests-cyber/woman-may-have-tried-to-sell-pelosi-computer-device-to-russians-fbi-says-idUSKBN29N1KU
Even if nothing on the computer was sensitive information, trying to it to the Russans is a felony charge.
Stacyhs
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Um...no. If you read your own linked article, not one of the people I specifically mentioned in my post is included in the list of people you provided as evidence of people having "professions a truly stupid person would have trouble getting into." So your post was totally irrelevant to my point.
Stacyhs
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Exactly. Some Republicans will vote R just because they want lower taxes, are anti-immigrant, pro-gun rights and/or anti-abortion. But SOME are just plain stupid. We see it when they open their mouths and say stupid things like some of the things I posted earlier and what we saw in that video and others.
Stacyhs
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Any salesman who started a discussion with "You're stupid" wouldn't even get close to pitching a sale much less closing one.
I think that it's a mistake to assume that just because someone has sufficient academic ability to get a job which requires certain skills and/or qualifications that they're also not stupid and/or credulous.
One of my secondary (high) school chemistry teachers absolutely believed in faith healing and claimed to have seen a blind person's eyes grow back leaving them with perfect sight. That person was intelligent enough to get a science degree and successfully complete teacher training, but I'd still say that he was stupid.
Indeed, if someone was genuinely of low intelligence and/pr didn't have access to resources to determine whether the QAnon spiel is garbage then you could make a case that they were merely ignorant. An intelligent person who chooses to ignore the facts at their disposal is, IMO, being wilfully stupid.
Stacyhs
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I guess it's all in how you interpret 'stupid'. I've known a couple people who had average IQ's but, lordy lordy, they were stooooopid. They had no common sense, were illogical and made the same mistakes over and over again. They just never learned. I had to cut ties with one of them because I became so frustrated over watching her make the same stupid mistakes over and over again that I just couldn't take it anymore.
Which is where we are with trumpists and related CTers. I don't know what sort of argument would sway them; they need to sway themselves.
Delvo
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The problem here is the divergence of information sources into two groups, and the dedication of each group of information sources to serving its own cause.
When I was growing up, I was told more right-sided stuff than left-sided stuff; nothing wildly extreme, but enough that left-sided sources tended to run into the "this contradicts what I've been told before" challenge. But I went out of my way to try to pick up the other side's case.
They'd say someone at Fox had said a certain thing. I'd check. That person at Fox actually hadn't said the thing.
They'd say Rush Limbaugh had said a certain thing. I'd check. Limbaugh actually hadn't said the thing.
They'd say President Bush had said or done a certain thing. I'd check. Bush actually hadn't said or done the thing.
They'd say something about a certain law or a court case. I'd check. The law didn't say what they said it said and what happened in the court case wasn't what they'd said had happened.
They'd say something about a particular scientific study or survey. I'd check. The study/survey hadn't found what they'd said it had found.
It wasn't just the news sources. I never did join a politics forum, but some that I did join had a political section. I'd try interacting with Democrats/liberals/progressives there. They'd tell me that my argument was something I hadn't argued. They'd tell me I felt things I didn't feel. I'd explain repeatedly what my positions actually were and they'd ignore it and respond as if trying to convince my that I simply must think & feel what they apparently wanted me to because some other thing they'd heard somewhere else about monsters like me proved it, like a Christian telling an atheist that atheists really know that God is real because Romans 1 says they do. They'd pile on more of the usual claims about famous figures & issues. I got tired of checking because I'd learned what the outcome always was.
I wasn't even conservative, but kept ending up on the side of discussions/arguments that the lefties called conservative anyway, just because I wanted sound rational arguments from them and the ones I kept getting instead were always either obvious lies (particularly false accusations about me/us, thrown at me as if I could possibly be fooled about myself) or at least potentially honest but then just inane blithering nonsense.
What would be your assessment of the information sources of the people who kept trotting out the same worn-out false accusations & other lies at every turn like that? It would push you farther away from those claims & sources, and more against the people who used them. And then, once you know that the other side's information sources are worthless and their claims are worthless, there's only one side left for you to get your information from.
There's nothing stupid about disregarding what you're told by sources that have repeatedly proven themselves false (not to mention hostile) and accepting what you're told by the ones that haven't. There are a couple of mistakes in that process, but they're subtle ones that you don't need to be stupid to slip on. (For example, the principle that if people had a better argument for their case then they'd use it so the fact that they only spout lies & nonsense indicates that their side doesn't have anything better; it seems pretty simple & straightforward but it's not totally reliable.)
Sure, QAnon, 8Chan, FoxNews, Newsmax and OANN are no more biased than the Associated Press, BBC, New York Times or Reuters.
Delvo
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And that's an example of the kind of dishonesty I'm talking about right there. Why pretend I said what you know perfectly well I didn't say?
Jim_MDP
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Well, I, and perhaps others, can't picture a broad cross-section of Dems/Libs/Progs managing to give anyone such a stilted experience as you describe.
You werent on a Crystal Healing site by any chance? [emoji53]
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