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Cont: Trump’s Coup - Part 2

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acbytesla said:
Because during that entire time Pence would be POTUS and Trump would have no authority whatsoever.
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25th has been called the "Captain Queeg Amendment" becuase the POTUS is basically being relieved from duty for being incapable of doing his job, like Queeg in the "Caine Mutiny".
 
Vixen said:
Is she still sulking about that yob's feet on her desk?
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It's hard to keep up with all the threads, but in case it hasn't been mentioned, the last I heard that guy was in her office, but that wasn't her desk. I'd still be mad though.
 
Meadmaker said:
I just read the 25th amendment. It's not the right way to go. It still requires a 2/3 vote of not just the Senate, but also the House. Because of the timing, it might be that he could be removed temporarily, and then the clock runs out during the "temporary" portion, although I'm not sure how to interpret the amendment to be sure.

The bigger reason not to do it is that isn't what the amendment is for. It was for cases where the President isn't dead, but has a medical problem that prevents him from carrying out his duties. I think insanity might qualify and be applicable to this case, but that's a tough sell. If he emerges from the cocoon and appears sane, the 25th isn't going to fly.

If you are going to do the right thing, impeachment is it.
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It doesn't say medical.

It says "that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.

Thereafter, when the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that no inability exists, he shall resume the powers and duties of his office unless the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive department or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit within four days to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office. Thereupon Congress shall decide the issue, assembling within forty-eight hours for that purpose if not in session. If the Congress, within twenty-one days after receipt of the latter written declaration, or, if Congress is not in session, within twenty-one days after Congress is required to assemble, determines by two-thirds vote of both Houses that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President. shall continue to discharge the same as Acting President; otherwise, the President shall resume the powers and duties of his office.
 
Meadmaker said:
I just read the 25th amendment. It's not the right way to go. It still requires a 2/3 vote of not just the Senate, but also the House. Because of the timing, it might be that he could be removed temporarily, and then the clock runs out during the "temporary" portion, although I'm not sure how to interpret the amendment to be sure.
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I have heard verification that he is still "suspended" (my word) after he objects for the 4 days that the VP has to respond. However, I don't know if that holds during the 3 weeks that Congress has to respond.
 
Meadmaker said:
I learned a very long time ago that forcing people to go on record is a very good strategy, if you expect to win. If not, people will line up against you. I never did it on a national stage, but just in small time politics at clubs and offices. If people don't want to go on record, they will resent being forced to go on record.
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Well gosh, we certainly can’t risk resentment from Republicans! Why, I can’t even imagine what that would look like.

Perhaps instead, they should each be brought a hot cup of cocoa and given a foot massage.
 
dudalb said:
25th has been called the "Captain Queeg Amendment" becuase the POTUS is basically being relieved from duty for being incapable of doing his job, like Queeg in the "Caine Mutiny".
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And it says "incapable" of performing his duties, which does not require that he be unconscious.

In the West Wing (I know, fiction), Bartlett was removed from president by the 25th after his daughter was kidnapped, and they concluded that he could not do the job objectively. That was when John Goodman took over (there was no VP). Then again, Bartlett agreed to it.

But he wasn't unconscious. He was just incapable of doing the job.
 
Why is every time Trump and his supporters light another dumpster on fire and start throwing babies and the Constitution and America's reputation into we get told we can't react to it or "we'll just make it worse?"
 
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JoeMorgue said:
Why is every time Trump and his supporters light another dumpster on fire and start throwing babies and the Constitution and America's reputation into we get told we can't react to it or "we'll just make it worse?"
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Because letting them do whatever these degenerates please is what they want?
 
pgwenthold said:
And it says "incapable" of performing his duties, which does not require that he be unconscious.

In the West Wing (I know, fiction), Bartlett was removed from president by the 25th after his daughter was kidnapped, and they concluded that he could not do the job objectively. That was when John Goodman took over (there was no VP). Then again, Bartlett agreed to it.

But he wasn't unconscious. He was just incapable of doing the job.
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Exactly, but in that situation, Bartlett himself declared he was unable to discharge his duties.

As for Trump, he has never been able to discharge his duties as President.
 
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I literally hope that if half the people on this board are ever bitten by a King Cobra they die a slow and agonizing death because they came into the emergency screaming about being bitten by a poisonous snake and the ER team lets them die while arguing about poisonous vs venomous.
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http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=13351099#post13351099

Of course, the King Cobra being an elapid means it has only neurotoxic* venom so they could just put you on a ventilator. :boxedin:



*I'm simplifying here for joke purposes.
 
I guess the troll matra of "Any reaction to me means I win" being the Trump Supporter/Apologist main strategy shouldn't surprise me.
 
JoeMorgue said:
Why is every time Trump and his supporters light another dumpster on fire and start throwing babies and the Constitution and America's reputation into we get told we can't react to it or "we'll just make it worse?"
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I think it is reasonable to appreciate that "react to it" is a pretty broad mandate, no?
And that some of those potential reactions actually will make things worse.
 
JoeMorgue said:
Why is every time Trump and his supporters light another dumpster on fire and start throwing babies and the Constitution and America's reputation into we get told we can't react to it or "we'll just make it worse?"
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It’s the same as the calls saying Trump shouldn’t be “gone after” once he leaves office because it “won’t bring the country together” or “it’s will be seen as vindictive”.

No it is called showing the country that everyone has to follow the laws and when you don’t there are consequences.
 
Darat said:
It’s the same as the calls saying Trump shouldn’t be “gone after” once he leaves office because it “won’t bring the country together” or “it’s will be seen as vindictive”.

No it is called showing the country that everyone has to follow the laws and when you don’t there are consequences.
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exactly
 
Elagabalus said:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=13351099#post13351099

Of course, the King Cobra being an elapid means it has only neurotoxic* venom so they could just put you on a ventilator. :boxedin:



*I'm simplifying here for joke purposes.
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//Total Hijack//

I follow a YouTube channel of a guy who "reviews" exotic reptiles and explains why they, in most cases, do NOT make good pets.

His review of the King Cobra is hilarious for when, after explaining all the other many, many, many valid reasons a King Cobra would not make a good pet, he gets down to the cost breakdown of what it would take to properly house and care for it, including the several thousands dollars worth of anti-venom you need to keep on hand at all times.

"Yeah I said anti-venom. You're going to need to keep your own supply of Anti-Venom. Why am I telling you to keep your own anti-venom? Well do an experiment. Go down to your local hospital holding your arm and tell them that you've been bit by a King Cobra and you need some anti-venom and just watch the look on their face. They will look at you like 'What? How? How did you get bit by a King Cobra? You weren't bitten by a King Cobra you moron. You were bitten by some local snake.' and when you tell them 'Yeah I have a pet Cobra' they are going to go 'Oh... okay... well *Stammers* Well... we have morphine. I can give you that. We'll make some calls. So just sit tight.'

A King Cobra bite can kill you in under an hour. So yea anti-venom. It's not cheap. It's not easy to get. It doesn't last long so you'll have to replace it often. And you're going to need a lot of it because it can take up 20-30 doses of antivenom to counteract the bite of a large King Cobra."
 
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