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Cont: Trump’s Coup - Part 2

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Thermal said:
My bad. Responding to 6 or 8 people mindlessly repeating virtually the same thing causing confusion on my end.

Oddly, the same response applies. Show, specifically, where the Trumpster moved to do anything illegal. Discussing **** is spitballing. I want the credible quote that a coup attempt was on the hoof. Not some writer's impression. The actual words, like...you know...a skeptic would require.

I get that this is /pol and conscious thought is suspended, but give it a whirl.
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I see that Thermal is "out" so I won't bother doing any work on this. But seriously, how willfully blind would you have to be to be unaware of Donald J Trump doing illegal things while president? It's mind-boggling.
 
carlitos said:
I see that Thermal is "out" so I won't bother doing any work on this.
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Well isn't that convenient for you? "Gee, after repeatedly ducking , now it's only because he's gone that I just won't bother."

Nut up or shut up.

But seriously, how willfully blind would you have to be to be unaware of Donald J Trump doing illegal things while president? It's mind-boggling.
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The cheapest of cop-outs, right there. The context is doing illegal things to attempt a coup, specifically when talking to the Louis.

That's the evidence being asked for. That's what you and yours keep slinking away from providing, because it doesn't exist.

Seriously, what is wrong with you people? Trump is like the worst thing to happen on our political stage in like forever. At the forefront, he is a sniveling coward in every way. Why to you feel so moved to give him the clout of saying he had the political balls to pull off a coup? He didn't even have the balls to show up at his rightful successors inauguration. He's an utter piece of ****, but you just have to paint him as a formidable foe.

But I digress. Nut up or shut up. Show the illegal orders/requests/begging/whatever to do something illegal regarding a coup/attempt with the hotel boys. The floor is yours. Do it for posterity. Think of the children
 
I made half a dozen posts, a couple that were addressing you specifically, and now you're acting like a jagoff about me "repeatedly ducking" something. Enjoy the conversation with the voices in your head.
 
Seriously dude? You made 13, nine of which were directly to me or quoted me/called me out by name.

Third time, just on this question alone: can you show, as you claim, that Trump was conferring with his boys to do something illegal to attempt a coup?

I'm not trying to bust your chops, man. This is a simple matter of using the right terminology, that we should all be supportive of.
 
thaiboxerken said:
You never left, Thermal, is that because you didn't have a credible ability to leave?
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Yeah, I get that. Got a bad hang-up with responding to posts to or about me. If you didn't love it with all your heart, you wouldn't keep trying to bait me back in. You're welcome.
 
Thermal said:
Show, specifically, where the Trumpster moved to do anything illegal.
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Inciting the insurrectionists was illegal. Threatening Raffensperger was illegal.

Discussing **** is spitballing. I want the credible quote that a coup attempt was on the hoof. Not some writer's impression. The actual words, like...you know...a skeptic would require.
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What Trump said to the mob and what he said to Raffersperger are known to all of us, I suspect. I don't think you or anyone else needs these quotes.
 
Mark Meadows is about to already getting the full scale two minute hate from the Trumpers.
Going to be interesting to see what he had to say. I admit his turning Joe Valachi/Sonny The BUll Gravino is something I did not see coming.
 
Thermal said:
No. IIRC, the military is sworn to uphold the Constitution and obligated to refute orders that undermine it.

See, the military or similar force is key. If factions of the military backed Trump et als bleating, that would be very different. I have no reason to think the military would act on domestic citizens on the order of an outgoing lame duck. In fact, I'd be confident that Congress would have one of those emergency incompetence vote thingys and stop it cold.

To attempt a credible coup, you need leverage. Normally, it is the guys with significant firepower, although it can happen via other leverage. I don't see Trump et al having any means to accomplish any of this.
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You are a victim of, or studiously work to project, the "It can't happen here" mindset. And so that causes/forces you to minimize and trivialize the actual attempts to make it 'happen here'.

Your Herculean efforts at either self-delusion or gaslighting are a marvel to behold.
 
Jan 6 transcript

https://www.npr.org/2021/02/10/966396848/read-trumps-jan-6-speech-a-key-part-of-impeachment-trial

Raff call transcript

https://illinoisnewsroom.org/transcript-of-call-between-president-trump-ga-secretary-of-state/

After reading them to me it’s pretty clear after an hours worth of justification for why he wants the crowd to make sure the election isn’t certified and the call was to flip Georgia to Trump or else. But I’d be curious to know what you think that speech and this call were about if you get something else out of that
 
Lurch said:
You are a victim of, or studiously work to project, the "It can't happen here" mindset.
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The “military” is sworn to uphold the constitution, and instructed not to obey illegal orders.

But the “military” is comprised of all sorts of people. Some of whom could be expected to support and/or participate in a coup. Mike Flynn was a former General, for cryin’ out loud!
 
Fast Eddie B said:
The “military” is sworn to uphold the constitution, and instructed not to obey illegal orders.

But the “military” is comprised of all sorts of people. Some of whom could be expected to support and/or participate in a coup. Mike Flynn was a former General, for cryin’ out loud!
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Not to mention the president is also sworn to uphold the constitution and not implement illegal orders.
 
Crazy Chainsaw said:
They had been falsely lead to believe that Trump had a secret deal with the United States Military, and they believed that.
They expected Trump to declare Marshall Law, and take control of Congress, that's what they were lead to believe would happen.
The Oath Keepers, Better Known as Ron Paul's Waco Whackos, or the morons of MySpace, were trying to plot a coup in 2008 against Obama.
However when the were told it would fail because the Military wouldn't support it they backed down, and began backtracking and deleting their posts on the Republican Libertarian forum of Ron Paul Supporters.
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That's intriguing. I happened to be talking to one of those kind of whackos right around then, and she did hint at something brewing she couldn't talk about. I thought it was just bravado.
 
Bad news:
Democrats are being encircled by a radicalized Republican Party increasingly committed to fascism. Instead of organizing their forces and launching a coordinated counterattack, the Democrats are fighting many battles at once — and losing most of them.

Donald Trump and his followers launched a coup against American democracy and the rule of law on Jan. 6. It may have slowed or stalled after the assault on the Capitol, but it definitely has not ended. Trump, the planners of the attack and their other high-level allies and collaborators have not been punished or in any way held accountable. This outcome almost guarantees that the Republican-fascist movement will attempt another coup the next time it loses a national election.

Fascist militias and other right-wing paramilitaries are growing in strength and numbers. Domestic terrorism experts are warning that the U.S. may experience a prolonged violent right-wing insurgency. Some observers have suggested that such right-wing extremist violence could even escalate into a second American civil war.
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https://www.salon.com/2021/11/30/rittenhouse-neiwert-interview/
 
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