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Trump's Coup d'état.

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I think some of the Trump supporting legislators have drank the koolaid. Ron Paul certainly has repeating the nonsense that all sorts of votes were by dead people and people voting twice, etc. (I hear they found one and the guy tried to pull off 2 Trump votes.)

Makes one wonder if they are that stupid or simply unwilling to look at anything which contradicts their belief. :rolleyes:
 
The GOP legislators who join any dispute are bound to come from districts where disputing the electors will help them get re-elected.

You don't see this in the Senate so much, maybe because the districts aren't gerrymandered.

There are quite a few Republican voters who don't want this token resistance to go forward. And I assume every district has some Democrats. So the relevant math is, do Dem voters plus sane GOP voters outnumber the Trump bandwagon voters? Can these numbers be expected to hold in 2022?

I don't think the House has such iron discipline as the Senate, but in any organization a few dissenters are often "allowed" to break ranks with the understanding that they are playing to the voters of their districts. But if a plurality of voters do not want this resistance to go forward, supporting it might be politically risky in even heavily Republican districts. "I supported Trump's resistance/coup attempt" may play differently in a couple of years than it does now.
 
Horatius said:
Is there a fixed order in which the states are processed?

Could the Dems put Georgia first, and when the GOP plays their silly games, then turn around, and process every single state Trump won, and object to every single one, take the full 2 hours to whine about each state, and only then, when everyone is wiped out after 24 hours of nonsense, get back to the states Biden won?

I mean, if rule going forward is we're just going to **** with the system, even if the ultimate outcome can't possibly be affected, well, then, you might as well really **** with it.
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I think it will be in alphabetical order so Arizona would probably be the first test vote for the GOP. The only other method I could see being used was the order each state was admitted to the Union. Delaware would be first. Pennsylvania and Georgia would be in the first 13.
 
Fast Eddie B said:
It’s hard to quantify, but partisan resistance in occupied countries were a thorn in Hitler’s side throughout the war. Acts of sabotage slowed things down as well. The uprising in the Warsaw Ghetto allegedly required troops from the Eastern Front to be redeployed, perhaps weakening that front and hastening the end of the war, if only by a little.

A good book on the topic:

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ALso a small group of armed civilkians resisting oppression worked pretty good in 1775...
 
Only in America is "66% of us actually bothered to vote" the step right before "armed uprising."

We as a country go straight from "We tried nothing and now we are out of ideas" to "Well there's possible way to fix the system, burn it all down and start anew" like real quick.
 
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Skeptic Ginger said:
I think some of the Trump supporting legislators have drank the koolaid. Ron Paul certainly has repeating the nonsense that all sorts of votes were by dead people and people voting twice, etc. (I hear they found one and the guy tried to pull off 2 Trump votes.)

Makes one wonder if they are that stupid or simply unwilling to look at anything which contradicts their belief. :rolleyes:
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Rand Paul is the Senator now. Ron Paul was his father. Both, avid conspiracy theorists.
 
dudalb said:
ALso a small group of armed civilkians resisting oppression worked pretty good in 1775...
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Regardless of the details, it did help that the oppression was centered an ocean away at a time when sailsboats were your best transport and it took a month to get here. When the tanks are already all here, it becomes a little more difficult.

As an aside, that's also part of the reason the US gets to be so cocky and critical of the brutality other revolutionary states use to keep down their former ruling class. Ours wasn't substantially even here, so we didn't have to do quite as much to keep them down.

I'd say it makes some of our criticism of Castro ring a little hollow.
 
JoeMorgue said:
That's the mythology. The French defeated the British.
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No question the French Navy were instrumental in defeating Cornwallis at Yorktown. Saying the French defeated the British is a bit of an exaggeration.

Still it is arguable the Rebels could not have defeated the British without help from the French.
 
acbytesla said:
No question the French Navy were instrumental in defeating Cornwallis at Yorktown. Saying the French defeated the British is a bit of an exaggeration.

Still it is arguable the Rebels could not have defeated the British without help from the French.
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The Brits such as Washington needed the support of France to fight the other Brits. France must have loved it - whichever side of the conflict someone was on if they were killed it was one less Brit.
 
Darat said:
The Brits such as Washington needed the support of France to fight the other Brits. France must have loved it - whichever side of the conflict someone was on if they were killed it was one less Brit.
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Washington was the Commander of the American rebel forces, not the Brits. I think you need to reword this post.

But I think I get your point.
 
acbytesla said:
I have no idea what this means.

It takes 1 Congressman and 1 Senator to object to a State's slate of electors. They also must have a legitimate reason to object.

Then both Houses of Congress each have up to two hours to debate and vote on approving a slate of electors. Only if both Houses reject a slate of electors would they not be approved. Since the Democrats hold the House, this is certain to fail.

They could delay the process by 100 hours by objecting to every single State's slate of Electors. But unless they flip Democrats in the House, this is doomed.
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The idea was that even if they are forced to debate and then vote, if there is only a single senator backing the vote issue, why would even the rest of the republican senators bother to vote. They could abstain, the democratic senators would vote no and there would be nothing Mitch or anyone in the senate would do at that point. Forcing senators to vote or bring it to vote, its unfair to the GOP guys no longer supporting Trump. They can remain anonymous unless there is a vote.
 
Darat said:
The Brits such as Washington needed the support of France to fight the other Brits. France must have loved it - whichever side of the conflict someone was on if they were killed it was one less Brit.
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It must have been irresistable, but it actually bankrupted France and brought on the French Revolution. Unintended consequences are a bitch.
 
Tero said:
The idea was that even if they are forced to debate and then vote, if there is only a single senator backing the vote issue, why would even the rest of the republican senators bother to vote. They could abstain, the democratic senators would vote no and there would be nothing Mitch or anyone in the senate would do at that point. Forcing senators to vote or bring it to vote, its unfair to the GOP guys no longer supporting Trump. They can remain anonymous unless there is a vote.
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They can still remain fairly anonymous. They could call for a voice vote and first ask for the Yeahs and the one Senator objected could voice yeah and then when they ask for the Nays just have the Democrats respond. Bang ithe gavel, t's over.
 
acbytesla said:
They can still remain fairly anonymous. They could call for a voice vote and first ask for the Yeahs and the one Senator objected could voice yeah and then when they ask for the Nays just have the Democrats respond. Bang ithe gavel, t's over.
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Sounds like a plan for Mitch or his replacement.
 
Tero said:
Sounds like a plan for Mitch or his replacement.
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Trust me. I despise McConnell. But he knows the game. He has the goal of protecting his Senators. The last thing he wants is a public floor fight that hurts and gains the GOP nothing. I'd even bet he might make a back door deal with Schumer to end this quickly.

The Dems could force a roll call is a Senator tried this stunt. Great for fundraising and dividing the opposition. I can see the ads in two years.
 
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