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Trump's Coup d'état.

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Tero said:
The point of it would be to not go against Trump but at the same time not embarrass themselves.
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Embarrasing themselves has suddenly reared up as a dilemma?

I'm sure it's all a dog and pony show, to entertain the rubes. As long as they are petitioning courts, who continue to laugh and say 'yeah, no', we don't have a problem. We have a problem if they cross a rather hard line into sedition. None are sticking a toe in that particular pool.
 
Tero said:
If a bunch of congressmen and 1 senator demand a vote in Jan to overthrow the electors, is it possible for every GOP senator but the 1 to abstain?
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I have no idea what this means.

It takes 1 Congressman and 1 Senator to object to a State's slate of electors. They also must have a legitimate reason to object.

Then both Houses of Congress each have up to two hours to debate and vote on approving a slate of electors. Only if both Houses reject a slate of electors would they not be approved. Since the Democrats hold the House, this is certain to fail.

They could delay the process by 100 hours by objecting to every single State's slate of Electors. But unless they flip Democrats in the House, this is doomed.
 
Tero said:
But there is no interest in Senate. Can Mitch prevent a floor vote? If he has headcounts and it will not pass.
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Maybe. A roll call vote is required if 1/5th the number of members present demand one. So if there are 100 Senators present it requires 20 Senators to force a roll call vote.
 
acbytesla said:
They could delay the process by 100 hours by objecting to every single State's slate of Electors. But unless they flip Democrats in the House, this is doomed.
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Functionally, it'd be less than 100 hours. They wouldn't object to the states that Trump won.
 
acbytesla said:
I have no idea what this means.

It takes 1 Congressman and 1 Senator to object to a State's slate of electors. They also must have a legitimate reason to object.

Then both Houses of Congress each have up to two hours to debate and vote on approving a slate of electors. Only if both Houses reject a slate of electors would they not be approved. Since the Democrats hold the House, this is certain to fail.

They could delay the process by 100 hours by objecting to every single State's slate of Electors. But unless they flip Democrats in the House, this is doomed.
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Can they object to each individual elector and get 2 hours debate for all 538 electors?
 
bonzombiekitty said:
Functionally, it'd be less than 100 hours. They wouldn't object to the states that Trump won.
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True.

The Dems could object to GOP States just to make it painful. I mean if you pull that **** on us, there is no stopping us from doing it to you.

I don't know what I expect will happen. It's an enormous waste of time and an absurd stunt.

But this is Trump and his absurd followers. McConnell understands this and knows this will only make the GOP look bad.
 
acbytesla said:
I don't know what I expect will happen. It's an enormous waste of time and an absurd stunt.
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There's the difficulty. If we make the normal expectations, that the people involved will behave like rational people trying to achieve a legitimate and legal outcome, then none of it happens, and it's just a yawner of a boring ritual, demanded by law but not really very meaningful.

Clearly, that is not the case. Whatever these people are trying to pull, it isn't a usual transfer of power. Since we don't know their true goals, we can't even guess what they will do.
 
We have the "Can they do X?" discussion about 47 times a second in these political discussions.

Here's the simple truth. If there is no formal, in writing, already used so it was established as precedence rule saying they can't do it with formal, in writing, already used so it was established as precedence consequence for doing it, they yes they absolutely can do "X" no matter what "X" is.

"Will they" is still in the air, but "Can they" absolutely isn't.

The last few years have torn the scab off and revealed the ugly wound that sooooooo much of American politics was based on the honor system, and that requires all sides to have standards or at the very least some sense of shame.
 
Tero said:
The point of it would be to not go against Trump but at the same time not embarrass themselves.
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Yay, a rock and a hard place for Trump whack-jobs in the Senate. I'm not sure many people will remember which House members went with this nonsense. There are so many of them that were elected despite being CTers, I can't see it having much impact.

In the Senate there is Ron Paul: I suspect he'll fold when it's his turn to vote.

Joni Ernst: She owes Trump for her reelection.

Marsh Blackburn will probably go with whatever God tells her.

There's probably one who McConnell can't force not to. But I don't know, McConnell seems to have a lot of power over the Senators.
 
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acbytesla said:
True.

The Dems could object to GOP States just to make it painful. I mean if you pull that **** on us, there is no stopping us from doing it to you.

I don't know what I expect will happen. It's an enormous waste of time and an absurd stunt.

But this is Trump and his absurd followers. McConnell understands this and knows this will only make the GOP look bad.
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Ooow ooow, object to Kentucky's outcome including MCConnell's unusual landslide win when it should have been a close race. :thumbsup:
 
acbytesla said:
True.

The Dems could object to GOP States just to make it painful. I mean if you pull that **** on us, there is no stopping us from doing it to you.

I don't know what I expect will happen. It's an enormous waste of time and an absurd stunt.

But this is Trump and his absurd followers. McConnell understands this and knows this will only make the GOP look bad.
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Is there a fixed order in which the states are processed?

Could the Dems put Georgia first, and when the GOP plays their silly games, then turn around, and process every single state Trump won, and object to every single one, take the full 2 hours to whine about each state, and only then, when everyone is wiped out after 24 hours of nonsense, get back to the states Biden won?

I mean, if rule going forward is we're just going to **** with the system, even if the ultimate outcome can't possibly be affected, well, then, you might as well really **** with it.
 
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