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Trump Supporters: What could he do to lose your support?

MovieandTVFan88 said:
Well, yes and no.

Here's an ironic defense of Republicans.

I'm from New York City, a fairly Democratic city in a Democratic state. Walking down the street, you see a million so-called "psychics" or tarot card readers or something. That's what the left is into (and I say that as a left-winger myself.)

Another thing. Anytime you hear someone talking about how "Bush did 911" or how yoga and veganism cures autism or something like that, it is always a liberal.
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I assure you, even in the communist utopia that is New York City, that ◊◊◊◊ crosses the political spectrum. It's even worse when you get to the burbs. That Long Island Medium lady? Big Trumper.
 
dudalb said:
The hard core MAGA will blindly support Trump.
The other Trump voters are a different story.
There are sing that buyer's regret is beginning to set in.
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Doesn't mean a damn thing. Trump was not an unknown quantity going into 2024. His re-election wasn't about a desire to "shake things up" or anything like that.
 
I wonder what pct of republican congress members are actual true believers whose only complaint with Trump's fascist project is it isn't going far enough.
 
trustbutverify said:
I wonder what pct of republican congress members are actual true believers whose only complaint with Trump's fascist project is it isn't going far enough.
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Probably very low. Most of them are probably very wealthy and don't really care so long as they get wealthier.
 
Donal said:
Doesn't mean a damn thing. Trump was not an unknown quantity going into 2024. His re-election wasn't about a desire to "shake things up" or anything like that.
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I think Donald Trump mostly wanted to escape legal responsibility for his actions and to exact retribution on those who acted against him. His ability to make his personal grievances sound like a bunch of other people's grievances seems to have made him successful. Every candidate runs against an incumbent on a platform of change, so every such candidate wants to "shake things up" to some extent. If you look at Project 2525 as the blueprint for Trump's second Presidency, then there is very much indeed a whole lot of shaking up planned.

I think there is some buyer's remorse. But we have to be careful not to generalize too much from the examples in the leopards-eating-faces thread. I've seen more commentary online by people who are saying things like, "Yay! Thank God it's finally happening!" This is mostly in response to allegations of waste, fraud, and abuse whose mitigation seems to be cover for enacting broad policy changes that may eventually end up causing second thoughts among Trump supporters, but presently don't seem to be. From my naive perspective, it will take watershed events such as a dramatic spike in death and illness, an outbreak of foodborne pathogens, a terrorist attack on a now-weaked military, or a systemic failure in some infrastructure such as air travel, the power grid, or the economy. It would take something big enough not to be written off as an incremental increase in the trickle of suck, and something fairly directly traceable to administration action.
 
JayUtah said:
I think Donald Trump mostly wanted to escape legal responsibility for his actions and to exact retribution on those who acted against him. His ability to make his personal grievances sound like a bunch of other people's grievances seems to have made him successful. Every candidate runs against an incumbent on a platform of change, so every such candidate wants to "shake things up" to some extent. If you look at Project 2525 as the blueprint for Trump's second Presidency, then there is very much indeed a whole lot of shaking up planned.

I think there is some buyer's remorse. But we have to be careful not to generalize too much from the examples in the leopards-eating-faces thread. I've seen more commentary online by people who are saying things like, "Yay! Thank God it's finally happening!" This is mostly in response to allegations of waste, fraud, and abuse whose mitigation seems to be cover for enacting broad policy changes that may eventually end up causing second thoughts among Trump supporters, but presently don't seem to be. From my naive perspective, it will take watershed events such as a dramatic spike in death and illness, an outbreak of foodborne pathogens, a terrorist attack on a now-weaked military, or a systemic failure in some infrastructure such as air travel, the power grid, or the economy. It would take something big enough not to be written off as an incremental increase in the trickle of suck, and something fairly directly traceable to administration action.
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This is why we are getting our yuks in now, because with how reckless the administration is being, a consequential catastrophe is a virtual shoe-in, and it ain't gonna be funny anymore.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
I think most Congress Republicans are scared of Trump and Musk, which is reason why they support him.
There is very much a "don't be the first guy who stops clapping" atmosphere in what they say and do
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Apparently they and their families also get genuine physical threats from MAGA morons, stirred up by veiled threats from the Trump team. Standover tactics.
 
Thermal said:
This is why we are getting our yuks in now, because with how reckless the administration is being, a consequential catastrophe is a virtual shoe-in, and it ain't gonna be funny anymore.
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And I genuinely fear it might be something difficult or impossible to recover from. Americans used to be resilient, but now they mostly attack each other.

Part of the slow-trickle effect is being felt where I live, though. Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene has ranted ignorantly about how government should be a business and that people who earn paychecks by providing government services don't have real jobs. The National Park Service has been brought up as a counter example, pulling in something like 5X its budget in revenue. Nevertheless it too is being drastically cut. Utah has five large national parks, and earns quite a bit of sideline revenue from them during summer months. There are several towns (e.g., Springdale) whose entire economy is built on supporting a nearby national park. These are rural Utahns, the reddest parts of our state. And now they're facing cancellations and vacancies because of fears that the parks won't be able to accommodate visitors. It seems they're slowly waking up to what the Trumpians were talking about when they said "waste, fraud, and abuse."
 
Skeptical Greg said:
Threats to public servants is nothing new and not even particularly on the increase. Some of them have actually been shot at. Well, one of them, anyway.
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FBI says otherwise.
Threats against election workers during election season, and threats against School Board members and journalists have risen dramatically.
 
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JayUtah said:
I think Donald Trump mostly wanted to escape legal responsibility for his actions and to exact retribution on those who acted against him.
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That much is obvious
JayUtah said:
His ability to make his personal grievances sound like a bunch of other people's grievances seems to have made him successful. Every candidate runs against an incumbent on a platform of change, so every such candidate wants to "shake things up" to some extent. If you look at Project 2525 as the blueprint for Trump's second Presidency, then there is very much indeed a whole lot of shaking up planned.
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Ya, but he was already president and did a ◊◊◊◊ job.
JayUtah said:
I think there is some buyer's remorse. But we have to be careful not to generalize too much from the examples in the leopards-eating-faces thread. I've seen more commentary online by people who are saying things like, "Yay! Thank God it's finally happening!" This is mostly in response to allegations of waste, fraud, and abuse whose mitigation seems to be cover for enacting broad policy changes that may eventually end up causing second thoughts among Trump supporters, but presently don't seem to be.
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I agree. People need to remember Twitter isn't real life. And liberals tend to be enthusiastic about patting themselves on the back. Even from the people getting their faces eaten, most seem to still be on the "you're supposed to hurt those people" bandwagon.
JayUtah said:
From my naive perspective, it will take watershed events such as a dramatic spike in death and illness, an outbreak of foodborne pathogens, a terrorist attack on a now-weaked military, or a systemic failure in some infrastructure such as air travel, the power grid, or the economy. It would take something big enough not to be written off as an incremental increase in the trickle of suck, and something fairly directly traceable to administration action.
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I don't even think that will work. They'll just find some "others" to blame.
 
Donal said:
Wasn't there some big event? Like 4 years ago? Something happened in DC in early January? The kind of thing that might frighten elected officials?
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Like the ones who ran and hid in fear for their lives, then called the rioters patriots after their cult leader told them to.
 
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