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Trump - One Term or Two

a_unique_person said:
I'll go for one. :(
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I'm holding on hope that most of his campaign was bluster and he will enter the presidency a changed man and be a great president.

I'm an optimist to a fault, but what can you do in a situation like this anyway?

McHrozni
 
McHrozni said:
I'm holding on hope that most of his campaign was bluster and he will enter the presidency a changed man and be a great president.

I'm an optimist to a fault, but what can you do in a situation like this anyway?

McHrozni
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I don't think brain transplants have become that well developed.
 
lionking said:
I don't think brain transplants have become that well developed.
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I'm actually serious, but it's a real long shot. He doesn't come off as a particularly stupid person, he's obnoxious and outrageous and many other things, but he is not stupid. He knows what to say and to whom to get what he wants. He knows how to manipulate, there was too much of that in his speeches to all be coached. He also knows how to talk, which is a useful skill not everyone possesses.

This unpalatable but not stupid person just won the elections. What are the chances he figured out the way to win the election was to act the way he did, but his policies will not match the persona? I agree they aren't very good, but they aren't zero either.

He would never be my choice, but now that the choice has been made we might as well hope for the best. It's not like we can change the situation we're now in, and simply wailing in despair won't help anyone.

McHrozni
 
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I am ashamed of my country of birth. We had a pretty good run, but now I live in 1935 Italy 2.0. ****. Any country that wants to liberate the US, I am on your side. Kill some xenophobic racist *****************. You have my loyalty and my bullets.
 
autumn1971 said:
I am ashamed of my country of birth. We had a pretty good run, but now I live in 1935 Italy 2.0. ****. Any country that wants to liberate the US, I am on your side. Kill some xenophobic racist *****************. You have my loyalty and my bullets.
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If you said that in Italy of 1935, you'd be hanged as a traitor.

You might live in Italy of 1922, but I doubt that too.

McHrozni
 
I've been thoroughly wrong in making Trump-related predictions, so I'll probably be wrong now, but I predict that the GOP members of congress will come around. With Trump having a popular mandate, they oppose him at their peril. He'll be able to accomplish some portions of his agenda and, in two years, the Republican party will be pretty heavily alt-right.
He won't be impeached and he won't face much of a challenge in the primaries in four years. Whether he gets a second term depends entirely on who the Democrats run. Trump will still have a good support base at that time. Any of his errors will be forgiven by his base, lied about or blamed on his opponents.
 
McHrozni said:
I'm holding on hope that most of his campaign was bluster and he will enter the presidency a changed man and be a great president.

I'm an optimist to a fault, but what can you do in a situation like this anyway?

McHrozni
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I'm holding out a similar hope.
 
McHrozni said:
If you said that in Italy of 1935, you'd be hanged as a traitor.

You might live in Italy of 1922, but I doubt that too.

McHrozni
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You are right. But I hope you continue to be right. I hope that women's health isn't destroyed, as promised. I hope that international relationships, built over years of intelligent discussion aren't jettisoned by a man "full of sound and fury, signifying nothing."

I hope. But I also am now, for the first time in my life, considering buying a rifle and a shotgun. I also sincerely want to be liberated from the rightists in my ****** country, and will help any nearly any foreign country that attempts to liberate this land.
 
Rougarou said:
I'm holding out a similar hope.
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Look at what he said when the results were clear.

"For those that have chosen not to support me in the past, of which there were a few people, I'm reaching out to you for your guidance and you help so we can work together and unify our great country."

And this:

"Hillary has worked very hard and very hard over a very long period of time and we owe her a major debt of gratitude for her service to this country," Mr Trump says. "Now it is time for America to bind the wounds of division."

http://www.bbc.com/news/live/election-us-2016-37899679

These are indeed things America needs. I sincerely doubt Donald Trump is the person to provide them, but he is saying precisely the right thing now - and only now. He could afford to gloat if he wanted to, we expected him to, his voting base expected him too, but he didn't, he said the right thing. It's a positive development, and improves on my hope somewhat.

McHrozni
 
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autumn1971 said:
You are right. But I hope you continue to be right. I hope that women's health isn't destroyed, as promised. I hope that international relationships, built over years of intelligent discussion aren't jettisoned by a man "full of sound and fury, signifying nothing."
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I hope so too, but don't get your hopes up on things like abortions. Those aren't really his domain, but the Republicans have been ascendant for the past 8 years on state level, and wiped the floor with Democrats this time around.

I hope. But I also am now, for the first time in my life, considering buying a rifle and a shotgun. I also sincerely want to be liberated from the rightists in my ****** country, and will help any nearly any foreign country that attempts to liberate this land.
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Your best if not only hope is to flee to Europe, where Democrats would be the right wing.

McHrozni
 
McHrozni said:
I'm holding on hope that most of his campaign was bluster and he will enter the presidency a changed man and be a great president.

McHrozni
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Well that was the overt message of "Gabriel over the White House". And FDR loved it!
 
TofuFighter said:
I actually feel this way too at the moment. Has the real america now shown its face? racist, xenophobic, greedy and insulting? Any reason why you should not be judged by the man you've (all but) elected who represents these things?
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Yes. And things may get much, much worse before they get better.
 
very rarely in my life have i been able to say this but i told you lot so.
blind freddy could see that anyone who appeals totally to the lowest common denominator would get in.
very sad.
 
McHrozni said:
Rougarou said:
I'm holding out a similar hope.
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Look at what he said when the results were clear.

"For those that have chosen not to support me in the past, of which there were a few people, I'm reaching out to you for your guidance and you help so we can work together and unify our great country."

And this:

"Hillary has worked very hard and very hard over a very long period of time and we owe her a major debt of gratitude for her service to this country," Mr Trump says. "Now it is time for America to bind the wounds of division."

http://www.bbc.com/news/live/election-us-2016-37899679

These are indeed things America needs. I sincerely doubt Donald Trump is the person to provide them, but he is saying precisely the right thing now - and only now. He could afford to gloat if he wanted to, we expected him to, his voting base expected him too, but he didn't, he said the right thing. It's a positive development, and improves on my hope somewhat.

McHrozni
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True, his victory speech was surprisingly conciliatory and mature, so we'll see.
 
McHrozni said:
I hope so too, but don't get your hopes up on things like abortions. Those aren't really his domain, but the Republicans have been ascendant for the past 8 years on state level, and wiped the floor with Democrats this time around.



Your best if not only hope is to flee to Europe, where Democrats would be the right wing.

McHrozni
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Clinton's economic platform was pretty much Reagan's. The "center" has moved so far to the right that Nixon would be decried as a socialist if he was running today.

And most European countries have a very significant right wing. They also have an equally stupid Marxist left-wing. The US has a right wing that jerks off to Triumph of the Will while the "left" sits back and compliments Riefensthal's amazing cinematography. "I might change this bit here,but, what? the xenophobia has to be kept in or else the movie won't make sense? Okay. As long as you know I am not xenophobic, I only support xenophobic imaginings."
 
Rougarou said:
True, his victory speech was surprisingly conciliatory and mature, so we'll see.
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It was written by someone else. It will make a lot of people feel better, but i have no more reason to believe his words now than i have throughout his campaign.
 
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