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Split Thread Trump-Kennedy center sues artist for cancelling because of name change

acbytesla said:
They're not the evilist. But they are both evil turds. I want absolutely nothing to do with either.
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it's always funny to me when someone acts like it's some outlandish thing to have a strong dislike for musk and trump. they're pretty ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ bad people, they've done some bad and some harmful things and some worse things than that, and for one of them looking like he's done some of the worst stuff you can imagine. and on the other hand, neither of them have done many good things.

so yeah, you can act like people disliking those two scumbag rat ◊◊◊◊◊ is some outlandish performance piece, but then i have to ask what's up with you? you like these ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ guys? lol
 
dirtywick said:
it's always funny to me when someone acts like it's some outlandish thing to have a strong dislike for musk and trump. they're pretty ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ bad people, they've done some bad and some harmful things and some worse things than that, and for one of them looking like he's done some of the worst stuff you can imagine. and on the other hand, neither of them have done many good things.

so yeah, you can act like people disliking those two scumbag rat ◊◊◊◊◊ is some outlandish performance piece, but then i have to ask what's up with you? you like these ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ guys? lol
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I find it doubly amusing when Trump on a minute by minute basis says the worst things about others. Not to mention a river of threats.
 
a_unique_person said:
Why don't they just get someone else like Kid Rock to do the gig.
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Because he backed out the day before, making such a swap basically impossible.
a_unique_person said:
I think the loss of revenue is required to be there as evidence of material damage.
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That's not the only possible claim to damage. Any money spent in prep for the cancelled performance might also be claimable, for example. Might not get them to a million, but wouldn't be nothing.
 
Ziggurat said:
That's not the only possible claim to damage. Any money spent in prep for the cancelled performance might also be claimable, for example. Might not get them to a million, but wouldn't be nothing.
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There might also be a liquidated/damage clause in the contract in the event of breach.
 
Ziggurat said:
Who's going to tell him?
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Are you talking WW2 Germany? Seems to me the country forgave and even rebuilt Germany. The Berlin Airlift was a mistake? We even made them an important ally and created airbases there. Should I also not have purchased a Krups Espresso machine? Or use T-Mobile wireless?
 
JayUtah said:
And that's where the center's behavior may have stepped into material breach, which is unrelated to the formalism of a name change. Merely changing the name has no legal consequence as long as it is merely the name by which the contracted entity is publicly known. But if the change of name also changes something material such as the institution's reputation, then it can be one example of any number of such behaviors that may provide grounds to exit a contract.


According to the center's correspondence, adding Donald Trump's name enhanced the center's reputation. However, if by doing so the center concedes that the name change affected the center's reputation as a matter of intent, then it loses the ability to enforce the contract under the premise that the name-change was neutral. Then it devolves to the basic principle of material breach, whereby the other party can say it would not have entered into the contract under the conditions following the breach.
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If Redd argues that the change of name had the effect of changing the institution's reputation, and the center counters by saying the name change enhanced the center's reputation, then factual evidence concerning the change's reputational effect would become fair game for discovery, would it not?

theprestige said:
As far as I can tell, the allegation isn't breach of contract, but rather loss of revenue.
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Evidence concerning the amount of that loss would also be relevant during discovery, I would think.

So far as I know, no lawsuit has yet been filed. If and when Grenell starts to consider the information he and the center would have to provide during discovery, I suspect this lawsuit will just evaporate.
 
Based on what the Kennedy Center posted on its Facebook page, I would think that performers would now have a solid case for being able to cancel performances based on the Kennedy Center driving away potential ticket buyers:

Under previous management, the Trump Kennedy Center functioned less as a national cultural hub than as a patronage mill for a narrow ideological circle—lavish salaries, cushy contracts, and pet projects rewarding friends and allies while the building itself literally fell apart.
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Emily's Cat said:
In most cases, yes, they would still be expected to honor the contract.

They could probably sue the counterparty for reputational damage or something, but that's an entirely different process. At the end of the day, unless the name of the party to the contract is directly material to the contract itself, a change in the name of the party doesn't void the contract. It's remotely possible that some aspect of the contract provided cancellation rights to the performer that the name change would trigger - but as Zig said, that's a matter for the lawyers to figure out and is specific to the contract in question.
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So you're saying that a performer would not have the right to cancel a performance even if the venue took an action (e.g., changed its name to something controversial) that decreased the performer's ability to sell tickets?
 
The New York Times (probably paywalled) is reporting other recent cancellations of performances that were to have taken place at the Kennedy Center:
  • the Cookers (two performances previous scheduled for New Year's Eve)
  • Kristy Lee (free performance previously scheduled for 14 January)
  • Doug Varone and Dancers (two performances previously scheduled for April)
A few hours ago, Richard Grenell, who styles himself as "President" of something called "The Donald J. Trump and John F. Kennedy Memorial Center for the Performing Arts", said these are “far-left political activists” whose performances had been booked by previous leadership.

I look forward to Grenell filing court documents that insist the Kennedy Center's reputation would be damaged if far-left political activists don't perform there.
 
TellyKNeasuss said:
Based on what the Kennedy Center posted on its Facebook page, I would think that performers would now have a solid case for being able to cancel performances based on the Kennedy Center driving away potential ticket buyers:
Under previous management, the Trump Kennedy Center functioned less as a national cultural hub than as a patronage mill for a narrow ideological circle—lavish salaries, cushy contracts, and pet projects rewarding friends and allies while the building itself literally fell apart.
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Is that what they had on their official FB page?? :oops: See, I don't venture into that hive of scum and villainy any more. And that sort of descriptor is hardly likely to encourage existing artists to stay, nor new ones to engage. Ditto patrons, donors and attendees.

That is more like out-of-control teenagers on spring break sending out a tweet to the gang: "Hey guys! Party our place! Mom and Dad always kept this place so clean! They're such squares! They're gonna be so pissed when they get back after they see what we are gonna do to it! It'll be hilarious! YAY!! PARTAY! WOO!"
 
W.D.Clinger said:
The New York Times (probably paywalled) is reporting other recent cancellations of performances that were to have taken place at the Kennedy Center:
  • the Cookers (two performances previous scheduled for New Year's Eve)
  • Kristy Lee (free performance previously scheduled for 14 January)
  • Doug Varone and Dancers (two performances previously scheduled for April)
A few hours ago, Richard Grenell, who styles himself as "President" of something called "The Donald J. Trump and John F. Kennedy Memorial Center for the Performing Arts", said these are “far-left political activists” whose performances had been booked by previous leadership.

I look forward to Grenell filing court documents that insist the Kennedy Center's reputation would be damaged if far-left political activists don't perform there.
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Link to full article https://www.nytimes.com/2025/12/29/...e_code=1.AlA.hWta.px4lx4-fbbre&smid=url-share
 
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