Merged Trump Fires Comey....

[Cain]

Comey was reportedly "blindsided" by this announcement -- which proves he was unfit for the job. Any competent intelligence agent would've seen it coming.

 

[TraneWreck]

Oh "people." you keep using "people" when in fact you mean you and a handful of other people who don't think that

I guess the chunks were still too big.

What I meant was clear. I clarified it. There's no lower common denominator. I've divided as far as I can. You're at the atomic level.

Hillary's epic mishandling of the email server fiasco was substantive

Still doesn't mean there was any actual substance to the content of the scandal - was there any wrondoing in her handling of emails.

 

[acbytesla]

Comey was reportedly "blindsided" by this announcement -- which proves he was unfit for the job. Any competent intelligence agent would've seen it coming.

Doesn't matter. Firing everyone that is investigating you is 'unseemly'. Whether it was for competence reasons or not, it leads to mistrust of judicial processes.

 

[The Greater Fool]

Limbaugh just reported on the Colbert clown car show yesterday. He reported breaking news that Comey had been fired and the audience cheered, they loved it. Not so for the paid left here.

Personally, I am thrilled Comey was fired. What he did to the election was criminal indeed.

I also believe Trump screwed the pooch by firing Comey. It's obvious that Trump was ebullient about Comey's comments during the election, so for Trump to claim those actions were the cause for termination strains credulity.

So...

Yeah! Comey got his.
Booh! Trump is lying again (or, more accurately, still) and handling important matters petulantly.

See, the two are not mutually exclusive.

 

[The Big Dog]

I guess the chunks were still too big.

What I meant was clear. I clarified it. There's no lower common denominator. I've divided as far as I can. You're at the atomic level.

Still doesn't mean there was any actual substance to the content of the scandal - was there any wrondoing in her handling of emails.

Can I borrow your rather patronizing style? I understand your OPINION is that there was no "actual content of the scandal - was there any wrondoing in her handling of emails."

Your opinion is of course objectively wrong, of course.

 

[BobTheCoward]

Hacked voter registration databases, unsecure voting machines, voter suppression laws and tactics ARE election wrongdoing.

Hacked voter databases: that isn't election wrongdoing. They could be hacked for reasons other than the election (identity theft). Hacking the databases with intent to alter the election is election wrongdoing.

Unsecured voting machines: Every unlocked doors is not evidence that a robbery took place.

voter suppression laws: If we want to mean non legal wrongdoing, these laws are absolutely wrong.

 

[ponderingturtle]

Dumb.

For the 20th time (of what I'm assuming will be 6,000, minimum), there is nothing inconsistent about:

1) Believing that Comey acted inappropriately with regard to the Clinton emails, and

2) That Trump's firing of Comey is deeply troubling.

No one believes that Trump fired Comey because he was pissed that Comey helped Trump win the election.

I think some of his supporters might be, though I can't see how they could reconcile how it caught the rest of the team like Spicer totally off guard.

 

[TraneWreck]

you shouldn't put so many points in one post. I'm just going to winnow it down to one or two.

Get fewer things wrong and I can keep it shorter.

Why do you object to calling the federalist papers propaganda? They were papers to promote the political cause of ratification.

What was misleading about the Federalist papers.

Propaganda: information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote or publicize a particular political cause or point of view.

They were meant to propose the cause, but they were also very important discussions about how government should be structured. They would be important philosophical works on the theory of government whether or not the Constitution was adopted.

Your bringing up originalism is a non sequitur. Please stick to the topic.

Haha. No. I'm allowed to describe your view as too extreme for an extreme school of interpretation. As you seem to recognized, you are the one who decided to make the discussion about schools of originalism.

 

[TraneWreck]

Can I borrow your rather patronizing style? I understand your OPINION is that there was no "actual content of the scandal - was there any wrondoing in her handling of emails."

You would need to understand things and get them correct for the patronizing to be effective, but go ahead and give it a whirl.

Your opinion is of course objectively wrong, of course.

Ah, so it appears that maybe you've made a step forward.

Whether the opinion is right or wrong, do you recognize that there is a distinction between actual wrongdoing in so far as Hillary's handling of the emails his concerned and whether or not the public reaction to that "scandal" affected the outcome?

 

[BobTheCoward]

Get fewer things wrong and I can keep it shorter.



What was misleading about the Federalist papers.

Propaganda: information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote or publicize a particular political cause or point of view.

They were meant to propose the cause, but they were also very important discussions about how government should be structured. They would be important philosophical works on the theory of government whether or not the Constitution was adopted.



Haha. No. I'm allowed to describe your view as too extreme for an extreme school of interpretation. As you seem to recognized, you are the one who decided to make the discussion about schools of originalism.

Biased or misleading....they were certainly biased.

My philosophical views are too extreme for a legal view? That is an apples to oranges comparison. But i will own extremism. Extremism is a good thing.

 

[abaddon]

The only mistake Trump made is not firing these people on day one. Its the same mistake Bush made.

Trump is an idiot.

Sure, you will inevitably accuse me of being a leftist, whatever that is, and disregarding that I am center right, not american, nor living in america, nor really caring that you are bent on driving the US to be a third world country because you want it so.

If some people really want the US to be that level of medieval nonsense, there is not much I can do but observe that primitive mindset.

 

[The Big Dog]

Whether the opinion is right or wrong, do you recognize that there is a distinction between actual wrongdoing in so far as Hillary's handling of the emails his concerned and whether or not the public reaction to that "scandal" affected the outcome?

No there is no distinction because "Hillary's handling of the email scandal" directly substantively caused the public's reaction to the scandal.

Let me know if you need me to break this down into smaller chunks for ya.

 

[sts60]

Good morning. This morning Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov, dismissed a question by a reporter with a sarcastic remark about the firing of Comey...

The Russian Foreign Minister and U.S. Secretary of State (holder of the Russian Order of Friendship) both gestured dismissively at the American press - as they walked past the Russian flag into a White House office, right after the former joked about the head of the FBI investigation into collusion with Russia by the Trump campaign being fired by Trump.

Yes, I'll remember that.

ETA: the GIF loop at the head of this article really captures this nicely.

 

[ChristianProgressive]

I believe that's called "campaigning"

No. "Campaigning" is putting forth your position to convince the voter based on his agreement with your stated principles and promises. Deceiving a voter such that he casts a vote he otherwise would not have cast is fraud.

No honest court would enforce a business contract where one party knowingly and willingly lies in order to obtain the participation of the other party. Nor would they allow the defrauding party to go unpunished

Firing Comey won't end the Russia investigation.

https://www.wired.com/2017/05/trump-firing-fbi-director-comey-wont-slow-russia-investigation-yet/

Key word there is "yet". Also, what agency do you propose remains within the system to do anything enforceable by law about the situation?

Little late for that. Once Trump fired him he was already out.

Hanging around his office and refusing to leave the building wouldn't change that.

On the contrary, refusing to accept his dismissal (given the clear conflict of interest in an office holder who is under investigation having the alleged authority to fire the law enforcement official doing the investigating) would send a powerful signal and possibly kick some senators into action who are still sitting on their hands.

Trump sending in the goon squad to bodily remove him would once and for all expose his real intentions.

First, evidence for the highlighted?

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-documents-idUSKBN12Y2WY

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...inton-wikileaks-emails-doctored-or-are-they-/

Second, there is no mechanism to invalidate an election like you suggest. The election is over, Trump won. That's a simple fact. Whether he stays in office may be a different matter.

The Constituiton establishes no formal mechanism because the FF never anticipated that the situation would arise. Nevertheless justice demands that the integrity of the political process is of such high national importance that the lack of a formal clause would not be an obstacle.

In fact, SCOTUS has already established the principle of overturning fraudulent elections in the Stinson case (PA 1995-96).

http://www.nytimes.com/1994/02/19/us/vote-fraud-ruling-shifts-pennsylvania-senate.html

http://bipartisanreport.com/2016/12...ue-to-massive-fraud-install-opponent-details/

 

[Crossbow]

The rationale for the firing of Comey was quite accurate and appropriate.

Comey should have released the data he had on Clinton with considerably more professionalism and there is really no excuse for him so badly handling the announcements that he made on the issue. After all, if Comey actually did need guidance on how to handle the announcements, then he had a whole staff who could have provided the needed guidance.

However, what really stinks about the Comey firing both when Comey was fired and when Comey was fired.

Considering that Trump has been the President for over 100 days now, and if the firing rationale as stipulated in the Trump memo is actual rationale,
then Trump is a seriously stupid idiot to put up with Comey for so long.

On the other hand:

If Trump fired Comey because Comey would not validate the absurd Trump wire-tap claims, or
If Comey was fired because Comey was about to discover some sort of Trump-Putin pre-election collusion, or
If Comey was about to discover some other sort of Trump shenanigans,

then Trump is indeed some sort of seriously stupid idiot if he thinks that simply firing Comey will somehow serve to protect Trump himself. because such facts always have a way of being revealed one way or the other.

 

[TraneWreck]

The rationale for the firing of Comey was quite accurate and appropriate.

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then Trump is indeed some sort of seriously stupid idiot if he thinks that simply firing Comey will somehow serve to protect Trump himself. because such facts always have a way of being revealed one way or the other.

Agree with your reasoning, but you should include the fact that Trump was giddy over Comey during the election and supported him after.

It wasn't just the timing, it was that Trump spoke very positively of the very thing Comey was supposedly fired for.

 

[acbytesla]

Hacked voter databases: that isn't election wrongdoing. They could be hacked for reasons other than the election (identity theft). Hacking the databases with intent to alter the election is election wrongdoing.

Unsecured voting machines: Every unlocked doors is not evidence that a robbery took place.

voter suppression laws: If we want to mean non legal wrongdoing, these laws are absolutely wrong.

You are being deliberately obtuse.

1. Hacking into databases is still a criminal activity regardless of the motive.
2. Securing voting machines is part of the process to ensure fair elections. When they are not, the security of our nation is at risk.
3.laws against voter suppression are wrong? You can't be serious?

 

[C_Felix]

I can't keep up anymore.

Sessions said this...
Comey said that...
Manafort lies to Trump...
Flynn lies to Trump...
Yates....
Clapper...
Trump praised Comey...
Spicer literally hides in bushes....
Comey was in Obama's and therefore Clinton's pocket....

 

[acbytesla]

The rationale for the firing of Comey was quite accurate and appropriate.

Comey should have released the data he had on Clinton with considerably more professionalism and there is really no excuse for him so badly handling the announcements that he made on the issue. After all, if Comey actually did need guidance on how to handle the announcements, then he had a whole staff who could have provided the needed guidance.

However, what really stinks about the Comey firing both when Comey was fired and when Comey was fired.

Considering that Trump has been the President for over 100 days now, and if the firing rationale as stipulated in the Trump memo is actual rationale,
then Trump is a seriously stupid idiot to put up with Comey for so long.

On the other hand:

If Trump fired Comey because Comey would not validate the absurd Trump wire-tap claims, or
If Comey was fired because Comey was about to discover some sort of Trump-Putin pre-election collusion, or
If Comey was about to discover some other sort of Trump shenanigans, or

then Trump is indeed some sort of seriously stupid idiot if he thinks that simply firing Comey will somehow serve to protect Trump himself. because such facts always have a way of being revealed one way or the other.

Raise your hand if you think Trump fired Comey over how he handled Hillary and the emails?

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

The UK - Wales specifically

The GOP are largely silent and will doubtless do nothing about any of this. The media may have a couple of stories today but in a couple of days there'll be a new shiny thing to distract them. The electorate, a few politically active individuals aside, couldn't really give a stuff - they're more interested in their own lives and problems - I'd be shocked if more than 1 in 10 care much less are in any way outraged by any of this.

While there are plenty of skeptical people here, doubting the GOP will do anything against Trump, I don't think the majority in this country are OK with King Trump. This whole affair is offensive.

What I think is, our news media is all about scandal. This is big-time scandal. They are going to drive the narrative.