Merged Trump Fires Comey....

[TraneWreck]

The Constitution has no principles beyond the rules themselves. Any desire of the founders is rendered meaningless at the point of ratification.

This is nonsense. Even the most ardent originalist would scoff at that.

 

[BobTheCoward]

This is nonsense. Even the most ardent originalist would scoff at that.

Original meaning originalists do not. The intent of the writer of the laws is irrelevant.

Also, death of the author is a traditionally liberal school of thought. Just because you wrote it doesn't mean you have a clue what it means.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

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I'll believe it when I see it...

Fair enough.

 

[The Big Dog]

The timing was, of course, glorious because the Hillary crowd was bitterly complaining about Comey all yesterday morning based on alleged misstatements about Hillary's cowboy server, and all yesterday afternoon they are praising him as the sole bulwark against Mean old Mister Trump.

At noon they wanted to run him out of town on a rail, by 6:00 they wanted to place his statue on the top of the Capitol.

 

[Belz...]

The timing was, of course, glorious because the Hillary crowd was bitterly complaining about Comey all yesterday morning based on alleged misstatements about Hillary's cowboy server, and all yesterday afternoon they are praising him as the sole bulwark against Mean old Mister Trump.

At noon they wanted to run him out of town on a rail, by 6:00 they wanted to place his statue on the top of the Capitol.

Hillary's server was a whole bunch of nothing.

You know full well why Comey was fired.

 

[The Don]

Remind me what tiny corner of the world are you in?

The UK - Wales specifically

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Or are you just talking about Sessions?

The GOP are largely silent and will doubtless do nothing about any of this. The media may have a couple of stories today but in a couple of days there'll be a new shiny thing to distract them. The electorate, a few politically active individuals aside, couldn't really give a stuff - they're more interested in their own lives and problems - I'd be shocked if more than 1 in 10 care much less are in any way outraged by any of this.

 

[TraneWreck]

Original meaning originalists do not. The intent of the writer of the laws is irrelevant.

Also, death of the author is a traditionally liberal school of thought. Just because you wrote it doesn't mean you have a clue what it means.

Again, this is ignorant nonsense. The most famous Original Meaning originalist was Scalia. He absolutely looked to sources beyond the 4 corners of the document to determine that meaning.

Original Meaning theorists constantly cite the Federalist Papers and other people who weren't involved in the Constitutional Convention, like Thomas Jefferson and Alexander Hamilton.

Even the wiki contradicts your silliness:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Original_meaning

 

[Segnosaur]

By firing Comey, and installing his own man, Trump will have managed to stop all investigations into links with Russia.

Why did Nixon fail and why is this different?

There are a couple of differences:

- Republican congresscritters seem to be more scummy these days and more protective of their turf, so they'll be willing to look the other way when it comes to Trump's corruption

- Republican voters are currently idiots (they voted for Trump after all), so those same corrupt republican congresscritters have less backlash to fear frm the electorate if they don't act

 

[The Don]

The timing was, of course, glorious because the Hillary crowd was bitterly complaining about Comey all yesterday morning based on alleged misstatements about Hillary's cowboy server, and all yesterday afternoon they are praising him as the sole bulwark against Mean old Mister Trump.

At noon they wanted to run him out of town on a rail, by 6:00 they wanted to place his statue on the top of the Capitol.

Evidence ?

 

[The Big Dog]

Hillary's server was a whole bunch of nothing.

You know full well why Comey was fired.

Hmmm, that is not what Hillary was saying a couple of weeks ago, in fact she explicitly blamed Comey's letter about her email fiasco for losing her the Presidency.

 

[Belz...]

Hmmm, that is not what Hillary was saying a couple of weeks ago, in fact she explicitly blamed Comey's letter about her email fiasco for losing her the Presidency.

That changes nothing of what I said. That public opinion was swayed, assuming that's true, based on Comey's comments, does not mean that the e-mail scandal had any substance.

 

[The Big Dog]

Evidence ?

Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage

Guy who missed the point: Evidence?

 

[Delphic Oracle]

Hmmm, that is not what Hillary was saying a couple of weeks ago, in fact she explicitly blamed Comey's letter about her email fiasco for losing her the Presidency.

That was an odd interview where she basically said she takes full responsibility and then spouted off all the reasons why it wasn't her fault.

But you've replied with a non sequitur.

You refuted the idea of the email server being a big nothing by saying that Hillary objected to it's politicization just days ahead of the election.

That doesn't address the issue of whether there was anything about the email server to be concerned about. This applies whether you believe there was any reason for concern or not, as the politicization of the investigation (and potential impact on the election) is a distinct issue from the investigation itself.

 

[The Big Dog]

That was an odd interview where she basically said she takes full responsibility and then spouted off all the reasons why it wasn't her fault.

But you've replied with a non sequitur.

You refuted the idea of the email server being a big nothing by saying that Hillary objected to it's politicization just days ahead of the election.

That doesn't address the issue of whether there was anything about the email server to be concerned about. This applies whether you believe there was any reason for concern or not, as the politicization of the investigation (and potential impact on the election) is a distinct issue from the investigation itself.

I was referring to Hillary's comment where she said "“If the election had been on October 27, I would be your president,” and this:

“I was on the way to winning until the combination of Jim Comey’s letter on October 28 and Russian WikiLeaks raised doubts in the minds of people who were inclined to vote for me but got scared off — and the evidence for that intervening event is, I think, compelling [and] persuasive,

seems like it was pretty substantive (and of course it was, because Hillary came off as a deranged pathological liar throughout the fiasco)

 

[TraneWreck]

I was referring to Hillary's comment where she said "“If the election had been on October 27, I would be your president,” and this:

seems like it was pretty substantive (and of course it was, because Hillary came off as a deranged pathological liar throughout the fiasco)

And this sort of ... stuff is why we have Trump as president.

I dare you to make a sillier comment. Because I'm an optimist, I still believe that you understand the distinction people made between the legitimacy of the Clinton emails as a "scandal" (whether or not there was any actual wrongdoing - there wasn't) and the effect it had on the public.

Unless you believe all the people calling in about the War of the Worlds radio program indicates that aliens were actually attacking.

 

[Fast Eddie B]

Whiplash candidate:

 

[TraneWreck]

Whiplash candidate:

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Dumb.

For the 20th time (of what I'm assuming will be 6,000, minimum), there is nothing inconsistent about:

1) Believing that Comey acted inappropriately with regard to the Clinton emails, and

2) That Trump's firing of Comey is deeply troubling.

No one believes that Trump fired Comey because he was pissed that Comey helped Trump win the election.

 

[BobTheCoward]

Again, this is ignorant nonsense. The most famous Original Meaning originalist was Scalia. He absolutely looked to sources beyond the 4 corners of the document to determine that meaning.

Original Meaning theorists constantly cite the Federalist Papers and other people who weren't involved in the Constitutional Convention, like Thomas Jefferson and Alexander Hamilton.

Even the wiki contradicts your silliness:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Original_meaning

From the same cite

Contemporaneous dictionaries are of dubious value to an original intent inquiry, but of high value to an original meaning inquiry: we can establish what the words the Framers chose meant, but that is not necessarily conclusive as to what they intended to say (consider for example, the law of unintended consequences).

Saying that checks and balances are what the rules are, and that their intent with them doesn't matter is extremely consistent with that.

 

[Fast Eddie B]

Dumb.

Maybe.

But the most clever memes often contain an element of truthiness!

 

[The Big Dog]

And this sort of ... stuff is why we have Trump as president.

I dare you to make a sillier comment. Because I'm an optimist, I still believe that you understand the distinction people made between the legitimacy of the Clinton emails as a "scandal" and the effect it had on the public.

Unless you believe all the people calling in about the War of the Worlds radio program indicates that aliens were actually attacking.

Yeah, that is why we have Trump as president, in large part because of Hillary's epic lies about the scandal.

the distinction people made between the legitimacy of the Clinton emails as a "scandal" and the effect it had on the public.

Wanna try that again?