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Trump and NFL boycott

When he's not busy getting into childish verbal arguments with foreign leaders and threaten the lives of millions of people he spends his precious days as President sowing discontent among the population by engaging in gratuitously divisive disparagement of athletes.

But hey bashing black athletes is popular among Trump supporters so more power to him.
 
Arcade22 said:
When he's not busy getting into childish verbal arguments with foreign leaders and threaten the lives of millions of people he spends his precious days as President sowing discontent among the population by engaging in gratuitously divisive disparagement of athletes.

But hey bashing black athletes is popular among Trump supporters so more power to him.
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Which appears to have been the sole point of this tirade. His schtick about tax cuts and healthcare reform bombed with the crowd in Alabama so he went with something he knew would rile them up.
 
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David Frum had this response to offer regarding Trump's tweets about the NFL players.

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I found this more interesting:

US Flag Code: Chapter 10.176C

“The flag should never be carried flat or horizontally, but always aloft and free.”

US Flag Code: Chapter 10.176D

“The flag should never be used as wearing apparel, bedding, or drapery.”

US Flag Code Chapter 10.176I

“The flag should never be used for advertising purposes in any manner whatsoever.”

US Flag Code Chapter 10.176I (pt 2)

“It should not be embroidered on such articles as cushions or handkerchiefs and the like...”

US Flag Code Chapter 10.176I (pt3)

“...or otherwise impressed on paper napkins or anything that is designed for temporary use and discard.”

US Flag Code Chapter 10.176J

“No part of the flag should ever be used as a costume or athletic uniform.”

Not covered in the “Respect for Flag” section; standing/kneeling/sitting. That’s considered a conduct violation, not disrespectful.​
 
Stacko said:
I found this more interesting:

US Flag Code: Chapter 10.176C

“The flag should never be carried flat or horizontally, but always aloft and free.”

US Flag Code: Chapter 10.176D

“The flag should never be used as wearing apparel, bedding, or drapery.”

US Flag Code Chapter 10.176I

“The flag should never be used for advertising purposes in any manner whatsoever.”

US Flag Code Chapter 10.176I (pt 2)

“It should not be embroidered on such articles as cushions or handkerchiefs and the like...”

US Flag Code Chapter 10.176I (pt3)

“...or otherwise impressed on paper napkins or anything that is designed for temporary use and discard.”

US Flag Code Chapter 10.176J

“No part of the flag should ever be used as a costume or athletic uniform.”

Not covered in the “Respect for Flag” section; standing/kneeling/sitting. That’s considered a conduct violation, not disrespectful.​
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My take is people can take the flag code and shove it up their butts. I will do what I want with any flag I own
 
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Here's a very interesting comment from a reader on the ESPN, "Who Killed the USFL" page:
"I lived in Portland when the Breakers played there and was a season ticket holder. The city was abuzz and the stadium was full, in spite of being a losing team (6-12). It was among my best sports memories. I remember the entire lawsuit thing, and Trump was the league's ultimate doom. He is a 'win big or burn it down,' as well as a 'sue your way to the top' personality, as his business dealings clearly show. His methods and personality, as revealed with the USFL, were major reasons I refused to vote for him, and believed he would make a terrible president. As with the USFL, he will either 'win big' or take everyone down with him in the losing."
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He will either 'win big' or take everyone down with him. I guess that is what we all fear. :(

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I'm going to use a few posts over time about how stupid the arguments of the opponents are. Number one above was about the claim that people don't want politics in sports. The players protesting do not want politics in either.

Number 2 is along the lines that they shouldn't protest because America has given them so much. That is such a myopic worldview of individual selfishness. People have empathy for others and their problems. I'm reminded of the legend of the Buddha having grew up without want experienced such a revelation with encountering the pain of others. No one says he was disrespecting India for giving him so much when he had so much concern for others.
 
sunmaster14 said:
Taking a knee while putting your cap over your heart certainly doesn't strike me as a sign of disrespect. Is that what other athletes are doing?
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In what context is kneeling ever disrespectful?
Of yeah, sometimes when the kneeler is black...
 
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BobTheCoward said:
I'm going to use a few posts over time about how stupid the arguments of the opponents are. Number one above was about the claim that people don't want politics in sports. The players protesting do not want politics in either.

Number 2 is along the lines that they shouldn't protest because America has given them so much. That is such a myopic worldview of individual selfishness. People have empathy for others and their problems. I'm reminded of the legend of the Buddha having grew up without want experienced such a revelation with encountering the pain of others. No one says he was disrespecting India for giving him so much when he had so much concern for others.
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For the first - how do you separate "politics" from the giant flag being held over the field (in violation of the Flag Code) and the National Anthem? That's inherently political. As I recall, that's not done in other countries at all, and kneeling is a compromise - he sat at first, but after speaking with a vet, they worked out that he should kneel instead, to show respect for the unarmed and innocent people brutalized by police.

For the second...well, exactly. Of course, Toupee Fiasco barged his way into it to make it about himself, but I expect to see quite a few more people taking a knee. I know it's spread to the WNBA and sometimes children's games. The MLB player kinda surprised me, though - he hasn't slapped any baseball player (yet).
 
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Mumbles said:
For the first - how do you separate "politics" from the giant flag being held over the field (in violation of the Flag Code) and the National Anthem? That's inherently political. As I recall, that's not done in other countries at all, and kneeling is a compromise - he sat at first, but after speaking with a vet, they worked out that he should kneel instead, to show respect for the unarmed and innocent people brutalized by police.

For the second...well, exactly.
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Let me clarify my point on the first one. The players kneeling, like their opponents, probably do not want to kneel either. I'm sure they would prefer to stand for the National anthem and just play the dang game. The whole point is that they probably feel they have to.
 
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BobTheCoward said:
Let me clarify my point on the first one. The players kneeling, like their opponents, probably do not want to kneel either. I'm sure they would prefer to stand for the National anthem and just play the dang game. The whole point is that they probably feel they have to.
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Oh, sure! That's clearly why Kaepernick started, why a few others in the NFL (and other sportsball leagues), and since it's highly visible, he chose that one way to make a protest. And really, let's be honest, many people get angry at any form of protest.

Fun Fact - our idiot in chief seems far more interested in this that in aiding, say, Puerto Rico, which currently has no electricity anywhere.
 
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