You seem to agree that society can make laws. So why can't society make a law that says you can't drink and drive if they wish?
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You seem to agree that society can make laws. So why can't society make a law that says you can't drink and drive if they wish?
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Certainly true for some, but not as common as it used to be. Beck's alcohol free, for example, is not more than 0.05%, and that seems to be increasingly the figure I see. When you get down to that sort of strength, I suspect some fruit juices contain more alcohol.
Of course it can, but why change in this case?
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"travellers" have always been beers illegally drank while driving, at least for me here in Canada. I can't recall a time when open alcohol was permitted in a vehicle (even for transport I think it had to be out of the reach of the driver).
I can see why they want to make it illegal, it's a bad idea because it almost encourages people to drink and drive. At the same time why do responsible people have to be inconvenienced by the idiots? I hope it saves lives but I honestly think the good drivers will stop and the bad drivers, the problem drivers, will just get sneaky.
Like I said, been illegal as long as I've been drinking and everyone knows what they are
I can see why they want to make it illegal, it's a bad idea because it almost encourages people to drink and drive. At the same time why do responsible people have to be inconvenienced by the idiots? I hope it saves lives but I honestly think the good drivers will stop and the bad drivers, the problem drivers, will just get sneaky.
Like I said, been illegal as long as I've been drinking and everyone knows what they are
Yes, I get it. Of course, society can make a law based on illogic. I'm just wondering about the logic behind the law. My take is that the reason is emotional, not logical.
For example:
a: Bogan drinks 2 stubbies, gets into Holden ute and drives home. Legal.
b: Bogan gets into Holden ute, drinks 2 stubbies on his commute. Illegal.
Please elucidate - Why should example b be illegal while a should be legal?
ETA - I've already shown my reason for preferring option B. If his commute is 30 minutes, then his average BAC is less for the entire time he's drinking those 2 beers, vs. option A.
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Skeptical Greg
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It's easier to enforce b ..
It's logical economically and logistically, as I mentioned in my earlier post..
Also if b were legal, Bogan is more likely to drink 2 in the pub, then 2 more during the commute.
It's logical economically and logistically, as I mentioned in my earlier post..
Also if b were legal, Bogan is more likely to drink 2 in the pub, then 2 more during the commute.
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Is there any evidence of this claim? If it's true there should be some statistical evidence that shows Australian's are more likely to drink and drive than Canadians or Michiganders.
If it's true it sure makes Australians look like the hillbilly's of the common wealth
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This is just more of the man stepping his boot on our neck.
Of course you shouldn't drive while intoxicated. But a couple of beers on the way home should be legal. The problem with law is that it's one size fits all. This means that people who just want to crack a beer on the way home from 7-11 after mowing the lawn end up in the same category as drunks who chug whisky and speed down the freeway going the wrong direction. There is subtlety here that should be taken into account.
Of course you'll get those who want to ban driving after a single beer. To you I say you need to live a little more and loosen up. You're never going to regulate the true drunks off the road unless you throw them in jail. Making travellers illegal or lowering the BAC limit to something stupidly low just gets a lot of regular people who wouldn't have hurt anyone in trouble for no reason.
Of course you shouldn't drive while intoxicated. But a couple of beers on the way home should be legal. The problem with law is that it's one size fits all. This means that people who just want to crack a beer on the way home from 7-11 after mowing the lawn end up in the same category as drunks who chug whisky and speed down the freeway going the wrong direction. There is subtlety here that should be taken into account.
Of course you'll get those who want to ban driving after a single beer. To you I say you need to live a little more and loosen up. You're never going to regulate the true drunks off the road unless you throw them in jail. Making travellers illegal or lowering the BAC limit to something stupidly low just gets a lot of regular people who wouldn't have hurt anyone in trouble for no reason.
Well, sadly, this may be true. But if you are going to call people hillbillies, you might want to spell it correctly.Is there any evidence of this claim? If it's true there should be some statistical evidence that shows Australian's are more likely to drink and drive than Canadians or Michiganders.
If it's true it sure makes Australians look like the hillbilly's of the common wealth
Evidence?Skeptical Greg said:
Agree. The folks (at least in the USA) that are arguing for lower BAC limits are really neo-prohibitionists.
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I'm 100% confident it's spelled correctly. Considerably less confident it's the possessive and not the plural form I was looking for.
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I'm 100% confident it's spelled correctly. Considerably less confident it's the possessive and not the plural form I was looking for.
("the hillbilly's what?" That should tell you.)
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I'm Australian, never heard of the term until LionKing unwantingly added it to my glossary. And no, I've never had Travellers.
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("the hillbilly's what?" That should tell you.)
the hillbilly's drunk?
Well it's the hillbilly's of the common wealth isn't it? It's the singular within a group. Like the bully's bully, the King of the bullies.
The sad thing is I know both are spelled correct because I tried both out. 50/50 chance, I should have went with my gut.
You've never known any tradesmen?
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Only one in the biblical sense, but I may be confused in what you are asking...
Have a look at any drive through between 5 and 6pm. They are full of tradies utes, vans and tray trucks. Do you think they are buying a bottle of chardy for the evening meal? These drive throughs also, coincidentally I'm sure, have beer in ice filled cabinets ready to go.
I was serious about this decision being, at least in part, about class.
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Ahh - yes know that situation well. I have to lock the Maserati whilst I go in and get a nice bottle of Pinot Grigio, and sometimes I have to wait for the vans to get out of the way. Didn't realise they drank whilst driving home though.
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to discourage drink driving. I don't get how this is a complicated concept.
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"travellers" have always been beers illegally drank while driving, at least for me here in Canada. I can't recall a time when open alcohol was permitted in a vehicle (even for transport I think it had to be out of the reach of the driver).
I can see why they want to make it illegal, it's a bad idea because it almost encourages people to drink and drive. At the same time why do responsible people have to be inconvenienced by the idiots? I hope it saves lives but I honestly think the good drivers will stop and the bad drivers, the problem drivers, will just get sneaky.
Like I said, been illegal as long as I've been drinking and everyone knows what they are
I can't think of a definition of "responsible people" that includes "people who drink while driving"