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Transwomen are not Women - Part 15

d4m10n said:
You are literally comparing a mental health diagnosis which can be treated with psychotherapy
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Having a mental health diagnosis that needs to be treated with psychotherapy is a disqualifying condition for military service. Having a condition that requires near constant medication is a disqualifying condition.
 
Elaedith said:
You previously stated that you know autogynephilia is not scientific because it is only proposed by three people, and nothing has been published on it for a long time. When I pointed out that is not true that no other evidence has been published and that you just haven't looked for it, you admitted you hadn't looked for it and have no intention of doing so. At the same time, you accept without question a theory of gender identity that proposes all causes of gender dysphoria or trans identification have the same cause, regardless of age of onset, sex, sexual orientation or any other factor. This theory has no empirical support whatsoever, and is inconsistent with all available evidence.
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Not to mention that autogynephilia is an existing diagnosis in DSM, and is a subcategory of transvestic disorder. Transvestic disorder is classified as a paraphilic disorder... which I believe is in the general category of behavior disorder.
 
Emily's Cat said:
You keep bringing this up and framing it as if the professor was the one who did the dirty thing. You know that's not the case, right?
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He said it was just his little joke. But he has never rowed back his argumentum ad hominem position that this incident - which is probably less shocking in the context of someone being a professor of sexology than it is to us mere mortals - means that the professor's entire academic output can be dismissed with a salacious sneer.
 
Emily's Cat said:
Not to mention that autogynephilia is an existing diagnosis in DSM,
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It is not.
Emily's Cat said:
and is a subcategory of transvestic disorder.
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Also not.
Emily's Cat said:
Transvestic disorder is classified as a paraphilic disorder... which I believe is in the general category of behavior disorder.
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And can also be entirely benign and not a disorder at all.

Do you remember when I posted the goddamned DSM-5 in its entirety to damonstrate to you that your claims were bull ◊◊◊◊? Autogynephilia appears on two pages only. It is not categorized as anything. It is not a diagnosis or any kind of recognized condition, averse or otherwise.
 
Emily's Cat said:
You keep bringing this up and framing it as if the professor was the one who did the dirty thing. You know that's not the case, right?
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Discussed multiple times. He was the host of the freak show. I'm not sure that is better. Actually pretty sure it's not.
 
Academic disciplines sometimes involve the normalising of things the general public doesn't usually discuss. I mentioned a group of veterinary pathologists emptying a restaurant with our careless talk about dog faeces. Indeed, the things we got up to in the reproduction department, involving artificial vaginas and rectal probes, would probably have you fainting in coils.
 
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No, they wouldn't. Because there would be a point to them. Comments written by attendees of the event uniformly said "wtf, man? This was a mechanized donkey show that had nothing to do with anything".

And you have to be a special kind of stupid to not see this in advance. Not regular stupid: this was advanced stupid.
 
Thermal said:
Discussed multiple times. He was the host of the freak show. I'm not sure that is better. Actually pretty sure it's not.
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You absolutely are sure it's better. Which is why you don't describe it that way, even though it's more accurate.
 
Thermal said:
No, they wouldn't. Because there would be a point to them. Comments written by attendees of the event uniformly said "wtf, man? This was a mechanized donkey show that had nothing to do with anything".

And you have to be a special kind of stupid to not see this in advance. Not regular stupid: this was advanced stupid.
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So, let's agree that this was a lapse in judgement by an academic who got a bit carried away with enthusiasm for his subject and didn't realise he was overstepping even the minimal bounds of propriety in force in his own profession on this occasion. In what way does that invalidate his entire body of work?
 
Ziggurat said:
You absolutely are sure it's better. Which is why you don't describe it that way, even though it's more accurate.
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That's fine, then. From here on in I'll refer to him as MC Reciprocating Saw w/Dildo. Because it's so much more dignified to be the idea guy and front man than the exhibitionists who actually do this on stage. Like a pimp is classier than the hoe, amirite?
 
Rolfe said:
So, let's agree that this was a lapse in judgement by an academic who got a bit carried away with enthusiasm for his subject and didn't realise he was overstepping even the minimal bounds of propriety in force in his own profession on this occasion. In what way does that invalidate his entire body of work?
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You know, the gobsmacking double standards here have just struck me. There is no depth of debauchery being carried out by a trans-identifying man (and posted by him on TikTok) that you won't simply brush aside as "not really trans", or not representative, or it's absolutely rude to laugh at this person just being himself, or he's autistic, you're evil for mocking him. Literally NOTHING a trans-identified man does is so gross that you would accept for a moment that it was inappropriate.

But this one lapse in judgement by an academic in the course of a demonstration flagged up as adult content, and you will eternally sneer and belittle him for it, and dismiss his entire academic output.

Because you don't like what it says. About your precious darlings.
 
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Rolfe said:
So, let's agree that this was a lapse in judgement by an academic who got a bit carried away with enthusiasm for his subject and didn't realise he was overstepping even the minimal bounds of propriety in force in his own profession on this occasion.
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Ya or let's sugar coat this froot loop's idea of an educational experience and totally treat him like he's normally firing on all cylinders.
Rolfe said:
In what way does that invalidate his entire body of work?
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It doesn't. Linus Pauling didn't do well outside his lane, either.

His work on this particular obsession is of low regard because it is of low regard within the relevant professional circles.
 
In your entirely inexpert opinion. You simply don't want even to look at anything that sheds the cold light of day on the predilections of your precious darlings. Who get up to a lot worse than that, and post the videos on TikTok, but there are limits to what anyone is willing to share in the forum in that respect.
 
Rolfe said:
You know, the gobsmacking double standards here have just struck me. There is no depth of debauchery being carried out by a trans-identifying man (and posted by him on TikTok) that you won't simply brush aside as "not really trans", or not representative, or it's absolutely rude to laugh at this person just being himself, or he's autistic, you're evil for mocking him. Literally NOTHING a trans-identified man does is so gross that you would accept for a moment that it was inappropriate.

But this one lapse in judgement by an academic in the course of a demonstration flagged up as adult content, and you will eternally sneer and belittle him for it, and dismiss his entire academic output.

Because you don't like what it says. About your precious darlings.
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Did you notice that you are criticizing your own post?

Let me try translating using my trans-haters to English program and see if I can figure out what you are talking about:

You think that I excuse the stuff *you claim* is trans people, who are just randos off the street (most of whom.are photographed indoors),but I hold the academic researcher to a higher standard?

Not just regular stupid: advanced stupid.
 
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Ziggurat said:
If they need therapy or medical care, yes, that will interfere with their ability to perform the role.
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All active duty troops need medical care, quite a few also need therapy. Have you seen a scientifically-based argument that people with gender dysphoria are so far outside of the normal curve that they cannot function well even in non-combat support roles?
Emily's Cat said:
Having a mental health diagnosis that needs to be treated with psychotherapy is a disqualifying condition for military service.
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The folks at http://www.health.mil/PHRC will be surprised to learn that the only available treatment is outprocessing.
 
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