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Tory MP charged with rape

No. People are publicly identified by name when they are charged. There's no other way to do it - trials after all are (except in a vanishingly small number of cases) publicly-accessible proceedings, where the name and identity of the accused are, by definition, central to the case.

It was actually law for a time (I forget the exact timeline, but IIRC from some time in the 60s to some time in the 70s) that people accused of rape had anonymity until they were convicted. I believe it was repealed because it was thought that people on trial for rape shouldn't be subject to any greater protection than people on trial for other serious crimes, such as murder.
 
Does UK have that weird system where people are considered innocent until found guilty in a court?
 
Does UK have that weird system where people are considered innocent until found guilty in a court?

It has but, weirder still, it usually does not allow accused people to be named by the press until they have been charged with an offence. In this case it appears the man has indeed been charged with rape so would normally be fair game for the press to name, but one thing which might prevent that is if naming him would reveal the name of his victim.
 
As I understand it Chris Grayling pushed a law through a few years back when he was Justice Secretary preventing MPs being named under these circumstances. Unfortunately I can't find the details.

Chris Grayling btw is an ex minister born in 1962, not saying it's him of course.


(BTW: he was born on April Fools Day. How apt)

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/parliament-votes-keep-mps-arrests-7347827

From 2016:
Parliament voted to keep MPs arrests a secret tonight, under new rules pushed through by Tory minister Chris Grayling.

In a chilling move, debated for less than an hour, the House of Commons decided the public have no right to know if their MP is arrested

Just one MP voted against the new rules.

Until now, the names of members placed under arrest was a matter of public record and was announced to the House by Speaker John Bercow.

But after last night's vote, there will be no public record of an MP being arrested unless the MP outs him or herself.
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There is no law specifically preventing the naming of people under arrest.

Police decide whether or not to name an arrested person based on a balance of the suspect's right to privacy and the public's right to know.
 
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It has but, weirder still, it usually does not allow accused people to be named by the press until they have been charged with an offence. In this case it appears the man has indeed been charged with rape so would normally be fair game for the press to name, but one thing which might prevent that is if naming him would reveal the name of his victim.



Erm.... I'm virtually certain that he hasn't been charged. He's most certainly under police investigation, and I believe he was arrested as part of that investigation. And his name should not be made public unless/until any charges are brought against him.

Or do you have any credible, reliable evidence that he's actually been charged?
 


Well firstly, the last line of that Mirror quote, while not actually incorrect, is somewhat misleading:

"Police decide whether or not to name an arrested person based on a balance of the suspect's right to privacy and the public's right to know"

And it's misleading because in the overwhelming majority of cases, that balance is firmly weighted towards the suspect's right to privacy. In fact, it's far more than the suspect's right to privacy: it's the suspect's right to be spared public opprobrium and finger pointing before (s)he has actually ever been charged with any offence.

In the specific case under discussion here, I can't think of any reason (based on the apparent basic elements of the case) why the balance would not likewise be firmly tilted in favour of preserving this man's anonymity at this stage. The police have identified an alleged victim, and the alleged perpetrator appears to be cooperating with their investigation. Even if police are concerned as to whether there may be further potential victims of this man, the correct time to appeal to them would be after any charges are brought in respect of this current case (but before that case goes to trial, so that any potential further crimes could be tried concurrently).


Concerning the main topic of that Mirror article, I think it's important to remember the principle of proportionality. If, say, an office worker was arrested on suspicion of a serious crime, then that person's company would be entitled to know this, and they'd be entitled to suspend the employee pending either a) the employee being cleared without charge, b) the employee being charged but then acquitted in court, or c) the employee being charged and convicted.

But what the person's company would NOT be entitled to do at the point of that person's arrest would be to (e.g.) post notices on every floor of the company's offices informing everyone that (e.g.) John Smith had been arrested on suspicion of assault, and to post the same information on the company's website.
 
Riddle-me-ree

My first is in mother but not in Dad
My second in Adam but not in Eve
My third is in righteous but not in bad
My fourth is in cork but not in sieve
My fifth is in ferret but not in weasel
My sixth is in rancour but not in delight
My seventh is in train but not in diesel
My eight is in blind but not in sight
My ninth is in company but not in sole
My tenth is in oik but not in bright
My eleventh is in air but not in a hole
My twelfth is in something but not in nowt
My whole is a being that's short, wide and stout
Who am I?


I'll get my coat.
 
My first is in mother but not in Dad
My second in Adam but not in Eve
My third is in righteous but not in bad
My fourth is in cork but not in sieve
My fifth is in ferret but not in weasel
My sixth is in rancour but not in delight
My seventh is in train but not in diesel
My eight is in blind but not in sight
My ninth is in company but not in sole
My tenth is in oik but not in bright
My eleventh is in air but not in a hole
My twelfth is in something but not in nowt
My whole is a being that's short, wide and stout
Who am I?


I'll get my coat.

I don’t think he would be called a senior Tory, and he hasn’t been a Minister for a few years now.

ETA - I misremembered Lothian’s point about February as being in the article I read. So ignore my point on Ministerial position.
 
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There is a name trending on Twitter, and a certain Tory MP has, entirely independently, deleted their Twitter and Facebook accounts.

ETA: I should have said, “According to tweets...”.
 
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There is a name trending on Twitter, and a certain Tory MP has, entirely independently, deleted their Twitter and Facebook accounts.

He never had a twitter account, and deleted one Facebook page he had, while leaving a second up.

And let's just be clear about this - even if it were true, it shouldn't be taken as an admission of guilt. To pick one name at random, Kelly Marie Tran deleted her social media accounts when Star Wars fans trolled her relentlessly for daring to be Asian and female in a Star Wars film. Deleting a social media account when your name is trending due to something unpleasant and people are directing hatred and bile at you is not a sign that you are guilty of anything or deserving of that bile.

There's plenty of legitimate things to hate him for, so let's not get too carried away with all this.
 
He never had a twitter account, and deleted one Facebook page he had, while leaving a second up.

And let's just be clear about this - even if it were true, it shouldn't be taken as an admission of guilt. To pick one name at random, Kelly Marie Tran deleted her social media accounts when Star Wars fans trolled her relentlessly for daring to be Asian and female in a Star Wars film. Deleting a social media account when your name is trending due to something unpleasant and people are directing hatred and bile at you is not a sign that you are guilty of anything or deserving of that bile.

There's plenty of legitimate things to hate him for, so let's not get too carried away with all this.

Message from Boris Johnson

"We withdrew the whip from Julian Lewis for being democratically voted as the chair of the security and intelligence committee instead of mine and Dom's choice, Chris Grayling. Serves him right, who asked him to stick his oar in?

We withdrew the whip from 23 Tory MP's who voted against no-deal Brexit. Bastard traitors.

Head of the ERG Group, Jacob Rees-Mogg has sat on the rape allegation by a researcher for a month, hoping it'll go away. That's our Moggy! Let's just keep this thing between ourselves." (Insert spaffle, spiff, spaff, what? at various junctures)
 
Erm.... I'm virtually certain that he hasn't been charged. He's most certainly under police investigation, and I believe he was arrested as part of that investigation. And his name should not be made public unless/until any charges are brought against him.



Or do you have any credible, reliable evidence that he's actually been charged?
Sorry. Bad info. I was entirely distracted from the progress of events by a Facebook post by an ex-TV-news chap, profiling a Tory MP and offering no comment as to why.

Not a name I knew, but fits the description.
 
Message from Boris Johnson

"We withdrew the whip from Julian Lewis for being democratically voted as the chair of the security and intelligence committee instead of mine and Dom's choice, Chris Grayling. Serves him right, who asked him to stick his oar in?

We withdrew the whip from 23 Tory MP's who voted against no-deal Brexit. Bastard traitors.

Head of the ERG Group, Jacob Rees-Mogg has sat on the rape allegation by a researcher for a month, hoping it'll go away. That's our Moggy! Let's just keep this thing between ourselves." (Insert spaffle, spiff, spaff, what? at various junctures)

Why did you post this in reply to my post?
 
Sorry. Bad info. I was entirely distracted from the progress of events by a Facebook post by an ex-TV-news chap, profiling a Tory MP and offering no comment as to why.

Not a name I knew, but fits the description.

Why so coy? It's not like he's a member here.

Unless?
 

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