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Tory MP charged with rape

Not proven is also an acquittal verdict.

It all depends on the evidence, actually. I happen to agree with the jury's assessment of the evidence in this case. However my opinion isn't what matters. What matters is that a man who was found to be innocent had his identity revealed at the very start and had his name dragged through the mud both before and after the trial. Nevertheless his accusers, whom the jury must have decided were lying, retain anonymity.
As I said at the start identifying people involved is complicated. Would some of the high profile people convicted of rape and sexual assaults have been found guilty without other people coming forward when allegations went public?
 
As I said at the start identifying people involved is complicated. Would some of the high profile people convicted of rape and sexual assaults have been found guilty without other people coming forward when allegations went public?


I'm simply looking for a bit of consistency here.
 
I'm simply looking for a bit of consistency here.

What consistency? Salmond was arrested and charged in Scotland, that has a separate police and justice system to England and Wales so what might have happened in Scotland will not be relevant to a desire for consistency in this case. Unless you want the one justice system for the entire mainland?
 
Well, that's a fair point, but I'm not aware that the two legislatures are actually all that different as regards this issue.
 
And the Tories announce that he won't be suspended from the party...Nice to see politicians, as ever, being held to different standards to other public services.

Hint: I'd have been suspended pending investigation if I'd been accused of rape/attempted rape/sexual assault of a colleague. And so would pretty much everyone else I know or know of in yer normal jobs in the public sector.

One rule for them...
 
The Met statement says that they don't release the names of anybody under investigation. I imagine it may be different if they're charged or if those charges are brought to trial.

The police managed to invite camera crews when they raided Cliff Richard's house, he hadn't even been arrested at the time, let alone charged.
 
The police managed to invite camera crews when they raided Cliff Richard's house, he hadn't even been arrested at the time, let alone charged.

And that was a bad thing, that the BBC was successfully sued over. It's good that that hasn't bee repeated here.
 
And the Tories announce that he won't be suspended from the party...Nice to see politicians, as ever, being held to different standards to other public services.

Hint: I'd have been suspended pending investigation if I'd been accused of rape/attempted rape/sexual assault of a colleague. And so would pretty much everyone else I know or know of in yer normal jobs in the public sector.

One rule for them...

Depends who's doing the accusing. If it is a third party, police might want to interview the alleged victim, first.
 
As I understand it Chris Grayling pushed a law through a few years back when he was Justice Secretary preventing MPs being named under these circumstances. Unfortunately I can't find the details.

Chris Grayling btw is an ex minister born in 1962, not saying it's him of course.


(BTW: he was born on April Fools Day. How apt)
 
And that was a bad thing, that the BBC was successfully sued over. It's good that that hasn't bee repeated here.



Exactly. Investigating authorities are not allowed to divulge the names of people who are under investigation (but who have not yet been charged with any criminal offence), unless there are justifiable reasons to do so (eg the person has absconded, or the authorities need the assistance of other individuals in their investigation).

Cases like those of Cliff Richard and Christopher Jefferies (the man who was initially arrested in the Joanna Yates murder enquiry, but who actually had nothing whatsoever to do with her murder) are striking examples as to a) why this rule ought to be obvious and just, and b) the low-level corruptibility of individuals and collectives within the police who were seeking publicity and kudos at best (and financial gain at worst) by leaking names to the media during the pre-charge investigation phase. The public, by rights, should never have known that Cliff Richard or Christopher Jefferies was ever under investigation - I'm imagining that even the most stupid or law-and-order-nutter members of our little community can see how the reputations of these two people were unjustly damaged (probably for ever) as a result.

And, as you might be alluding to in your post, it's almost certainly as a direct result of the backlash against the police in the above-mentioned cases - most probably coupled in this particular instance with very assertive (and, in this matter, fully correct) legal representation of the individual concerned - that his name has not found its way into the media. Which is exactly as it should be, unless and until he is charges with one or more criminal offences.


(Oh, and this may indeed also be a reason why the Conservative Party has not suspended or removed the whip from this man for the time being. IIRC, any MP who undergoes such a sanction has that fact officially recorded in parliamentary records. Therefore, it would be ludicrously easy for any media lobby journalist to check to see which MP(s) has/have had these sanctions applied over the past few months or so (and it's a very rare occurrence to start with, added to the fact that in almost all instances the reason for the suspension or withdrawal of the whip is already well-known at the time). There would therefore likely be only one name of a male Conservative MP who'd been sanctioned in this way, but for an as-yet unspecified reason. And that would have to be the correct name in respect of this criminal investigation.)
 
Or perhaps it's because he hasn't been proven guilty yet. False accusations can destroy lives. If/ when he's found guilty, that would be the right time to name him.



No. People are publicly identified by name when they are charged. There's no other way to do it - trials after all are (except in a vanishingly small number of cases) publicly-accessible proceedings, where the name and identity of the accused are, by definition, central to the case.
 
I believe that the accused ought not to be named in rape cases, but as the law stands in the UK they are. So what is occurring here is unusual.



Nope. Nobody should be named when they are under criminal investigations of any kind - including rape or murder - until/unless they are charged with one or more offences. This man has not yet been charges with any offences.

(There are a very small number of exceptions to this rule, as I pointed out in a previous post, but in the vast majority of cases of this sort, the identity of the person under investigation is supposed to remain confidential to the authorities pending any charges)
 
And the Tories announce that he won't be suspended from the party...Nice to see politicians, as ever, being held to different standards to other public services.

Hint: I'd have been suspended pending investigation if I'd been accused of rape/attempted rape/sexual assault of a colleague. And so would pretty much everyone else I know or know of in yer normal jobs in the public sector.

One rule for them...



No. They stated that he HASN'T YET been suspended from the party. And a previous post of mine from this evening may supply a credible reason why this might be the only feasible option at this stage.
 

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