Tory lead continues to shrink

[richardm]

Just had a look and I'm pretty sure that Lord Paul is not the vice-chairman of the Labour party and is not working on the up-coming general election campaign....

NO SHUT UP THEY ARE THE SAME AS US THEY ARE JUST AS BAD LOOK!!!

Hmm.

<votes lib dem>

 

[Darat]

I want a "none of the above" option else I'm not playing!

 

[commandlinegamer]

The membership card with Clause IV on it or the new one?

The former [1]. Though to be honest, I've never been a Labour member or voter. The aims of the original version might be unrealistic* judging by today's standards, but I get a sense of the dynamism in those early years of the socialist movement in Britain. By comparison the new version they came up with is just weazelly, typical New Labour guff. I feel sick reading it.

* - I still support the nationalisation of the utilities, rail, etc.

[1] - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clause_IV

 

[Undesired Walrus]

By comparison the new version they came up with is just weazelly, typical New Labour guff. I feel sick reading it.

I like it: "The rights we enjoy reflect the duties that we owe".

* - I still support the nationalisation of the utilities, rail, etc.

[1] - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clause_IV

Out of interest, why? I'm uneducated on the issue.

 

[Undesired Walrus]

So you end up paying tax only on what you earn in Britain which is not necessarily very much if your billions are being earned in Belize.

Is he not paying taxes on them in the country where he earns them?

 

[Darat]

Is he not paying taxes on them in the country where he earns them?

Not according to the Prime Minister of Belize: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/tropical-storm-hits-ashcroft-1811697.html

 

[commandlinegamer]

Out of interest, why? I'm uneducated on the issue.

I just feel essential services should be operated by the state for the common good, not to make a few people rich; profits reinvested in the utilities or distributed to the taxpayer.

 

[Francesca R]

I just feel essential services should be operated by the state for the common good

They have public service requirements that are intended to achieve just that. Public ownership isn't necessarily a good way to achieve it (and some people believe that public ownership is a recipe for waste and failure to achieve it).

 

[richardm]

They have public service requirements that are intended to achieve just that. Public ownership isn't necessarily a good way to achieve it (and some people believe that public ownership is a recipe for waste and failure to achieve it).

It doesn't look like private ownership has exactly been a rip-roaring success either. It's just that now we get to see poor service and high prices coupled with what seem to be rather healthy profits for shareholders.

 

[Undesired Walrus]

Didn't Blair privatise huge swathes of the NHS? The Government have no control over the buildings themselves, as I understand it, just what occurs within it.

 

[Francesca R]

It doesn't look like private ownership has exactly been a rip-roaring success either. It's just that now we get to see poor service and high prices coupled with what seem to be rather healthy profits for shareholders.

Well not BT or BA shareholders, and certainly not Railtrack shareholders . . .

 

[richardm]

Well not BT or BA shareholders, and certainly not Railtrack shareholders . . .

Well not at the moment but they have certainly been there in the past. That they've managed to widdle it all away hardly improves the impression that it's safer in private hands.

 

[Francesca R]

The British can **** up anything. *checks for her NZ passport*