Torin Wolf

[Gravy]

So you guys are actually going to say that there is fire in more than thirteen of those windows, and the glass in the windows around that fire zone are busted out?

I think I understand the confusion now. You guys are saying the windows with flames are the busted out windows. Oh yes that's true. My point, which should have been understood all along, is that those 13 windows are it.

A fire which can't even bust the windows above the fire can't be hot enough to cause the eutectic reaction.

So it's all a big game to you, huh? Just a joke? That's sad.

Get well, and goodbye.

 

[Cl1mh4224rd]

In a debate you can tell who's desperate by who hurls the first insult.

An excellent example of this would be the Loose Change vs. Popular Mechanics debate, right?

 

[R.Mackey]

Wow. You completely missed the important words in Mackey's and my posts. I'll highlight them to ease your reading comprehension.

Your retraction is expected.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Afb7eUHr64U

You still haven't gotten a single thing right. When do you plan to change your behavior?

Wait, wait wait -- RedIbis ran away from the other thread, after being soundly beaten, and now he's popped up here claiming otherwise?

Gosh, how honest.

I'm still waiting for a single major claim that Dr. Griffin got right. And I haven't seen even acknowledgement of the sample of major factual errors that I presented to RedIbis on his request.

 

[R.Mackey]

I got into several specific claims, including WPI's findings on the eutectic reaction.

I read Mackey's post.

"1000oC is far below the temperature one would expect from a "thermate cutting charge," or for that matter any form of deliberate demolition whatsoever! It is, however, completely consistent with a raging office building fire with additional diesel fuel tanks."

There are several problems with his point here. 1) The WPI paper does not theorize a thermite reaction. Another problem is that he's not distinguishing between air and steel temp. This suggests that whereas a "raging" office fire might produce brief temps reaching 1000C, this no way suggests that the steel would or did ever reach this temp.

2) Hydrocarbon fires from diesel in a diffuse environment would not burn hot enough to create the eutectic "phenomenon."

Pal, WPI said the steel only got to 550 to 850 ^oC. I already explained this to you, gave you the source, and even bolded it for you in the other thread. Are you a liar, or what?

These fires weren't even hot enough to break the glass above the fires, we're supposed to believe that they partially "evaporated" the steel. And you guys are the skeptics?

Ah. Yup, definitely a liar.

 

[The Doc]

This is a poor excuse and antithetical to skeptical discussion. Your premise is that since you have "debunked" these arguments, you no longer have to address them and you are then able to "attack the man."

No. It isn't. Straw man.

My premise doesn't involve "attacking" anyone. The simple fact is that the arguments have been dealt with, and therefore the only thing left to discuss is Torin's creditability.

Tell me something, if someone attempts an argument to authority by exaggerating their credentials, isn't it our duty to point that out? I mean, if the arguments have been dealt with, there shouldn't be anything wrong with discussing the mans credentials.

Your definition of "ad hominem" is way off though, so you might want to do some reading. No where in this thread has anyone said "Torin's not a real demolition man, therefore he is wrong". Not one person. No ad hominems exist in this thread. Hell, even if someone says "Torin is a jackass", that isn't an ad hominem either. It's a personal attack, yes, but unless someone claims "Torin is a jackass, therefore he is wrong", they are not committing to the fallacy of an ad hominem.

The official story itself is not even complete, yet it is believed to be conclusive. There's a great deal to debate.

There's a lot of mistaking explanations for evidence, here and a desire to end spirited debate.

There's going to be more and intensified questioning since much of the official explanations contradict themselves.

Please, tell us which parts of the official explanation contradict themselves. I have heard that phrase so much over the past year, and not one person has ever provided a valid example. So, please. Define what you think the official explanation consists of, and which sections contradict themselves.

Insults, yelling and screaming, walls of quotes, will not keep a true skeptic, who possesses critical thinking skills to be curious, to ask questions, to not accept every gov't disseminated explanation as conclusive evidence.

The only reason people here have accepted the "government's" version, is because it suits the available evidence.

 

[Bob Klase]

In a debate you can tell who's desperate by who hurls the first insult.

You say that like it's a scientifically established fact... but I suppose in your world that's the type of thing that passes for scientifically established fact.

Sometimes you can tell who's desperate by looking at who hurls phony claims like the one I just quoted.

 

[Brainster]

For what it's worth, several comments were left on the SLC post on Torin providing some additional background:

I would just like to state that I know Torin personally – or at least I did. He changed his name in 97 from Torin Michael Thomas Wheeler to Torin Howling Wolf following a divorce. At the age of 17 he was living in Dallas Texas – where his father owned an asbestos removal company – his father also owned a company that provided training or was at least involved with both companies – and his mother had a company that provided air monitoring services. He was in the DFW are until roughly 1999.

He spent his childhood growing up in the Cayman islands with a private tutor on a sail boat – he did not grow up on a reservation. He attempted to claim Cherokee statues but was not able to qualify as he wanted a minority statues in order to be eligible for minority contracts.

I knew this person briefly and I am glad that I am no longer in his acquaintance.

And:

Torin was also a practicing pagan (Wiccan) – so please do not believe he was raised in a Native American home/social environment. When he changed his name to Torin Howling Wolf he was a practicing pagan.

Note the following site: http://www.d-fwmall.com/psychics.htm

Not the heritage he wishes you to believe....

Obviously there is no direct way to confirm this information, but it sounds reasonable.

 

[kookbreaker]

Great, another member of the Wannabee tribe.

 

[leftysergeant]

Fires that break glass are usually fires in an unventillated environment which allows a lot of heat to build up behind them. And you might notice that in the side views, you can see jets of flame rushing along the cielings. Classical signiture of flash-over. That stuff is hot. This fire was well-ventillated. Extreme heat being produced on one floor or two at a time. There was little extreme heat build-up behind the undagaed windows. Sure heats those columns evenly, right?

Great vids, BTW.

The eutectic melting probasbly occurred after the collapse, when the pile was full of steam and sulphuric acid. Dillute sulphuric acid reacts strongly with steel. It would also have set up an electroilysis, generating a lot of copper sulphate from wiring and piping, to desposit the inter-granular copper found in the thinned steel. I notice that none of the thinnned steel in any of the pictures seemed bent prior to collapse.

The more I see about Torin Wolf, the flakier he looks. Why does his name show up associated with the tax-protesting recluses Brown?

Remember my allegations that survivalists and white nationalists and other woo-full people are behind the twoofer movement?

 

[beachnut]

You're just making an excuse for bad logic. If the people on this forum were truly tired of addressing the same arguments repeatedly, they wouldn't post on these threads.

Your assumption that your debunking is conclusive and the official story is complete is also faulty logic. Neither are true, so therefore, there must be civil debate.

You still have no facts? When can we expect some fact to prove all the lies and misinformation of 9/11 truth? You are right, we should be civil to people who make up lies and have no facts. Sorry.

 

[leftysergeant]

And I just ran through a whole bunch of Google links for super-thermite, and the only explosives mentioned combined plain vanilla HE with nano-particle aluminum to create a hotter armor-piercing round, and the electric match for fireworks. None of them even mentioned potassium permanganate. Only thing I have ever seen to link potassium permangante to thermite was the timed-ignition charge that I used to light some of my cast thermite cutters.

 

[T.A.M.]

I think that those who called him a glorified contract worker hit it on the head. I think his resume is enormously misleading and exaggerated. This new info might prove useful, as this moron has remained silent on the issue. He is an active member of the truth movement, so you know he surfs the boards, yet no sign of him posting on any of them anywhere, defending his resume...I smell fish.

TAM

 

[txdj1005]

Torin Wolf's lies

Hi guys, With much shame, I must admit that I was Torin Wolf's former radio co-host and even came up with the name for the show. Anyone who would like some clarification of his ******** is more than welcome to e-mail me at txdj1005@yahoo.com
The "Red Pill's" just a jellybean, folks.
Scott "The Wolfman" O'Donnell

 

[txdj1005]

For what it's worth, several comments were left on the SLC post on Torin providing some additional background:



And:



Obviously there is no direct way to confirm this information, but it sounds reasonable.

Hi!
I've been equally screwed over by Torin and am worn slick of his ********. I made the mistake of doing a radio show (and teaching him about hosting radio). Truthfully...90% of this man's resume is ********. Please direct any questions to Scott at txdj1005@yahoo.com
P.S. Ya gotta love those blue-eyed Cherokees!!!

 

[txdj1005]

For what it's worth, several comments were left on the SLC post on Torin providing some additional background:



And:



Obviously there is no direct way to confirm this information, but it sounds reasonable.

Hi... would love to comiserate w/you re: this douchebag...

 

[Brainache]

Welcome to the forum txdj1005. Looks like you woke up! Congratulations on returning to reality. Stick around, you might have some fun with the Truthjobs here.

 

[T.A.M.]

Hi... would love to comiserate w/you re: this douchebag...

I got a feeling Brainster, who is also Pat of "Screwloosechange Blog" would love to get the goods, as they tend to do blurbs on members of the TM.

Been so long since I have even heard of this guy, I had forgotten him. This is the guy who worked in "demolition" and turned it into "I am a demolition expert" is he not?

TAM

 

[sadhatter]

This is a poor excuse and antithetical to skeptical discussion. Your premise is that since you have "debunked" these arguments, you no longer have to address them and you are then able to "attack the man."

The official story itself is not even complete, yet it is believed to be conclusive. There's a great deal to debate.

In your opinion give me an example of a " complete " large scale event being reported on.

Spirited debate is not being squashed, what is being squashed is the silly assumption that every single time someone says the same tired crap we have to debunk it in a new way. The way it was debunked before is fine, because it was right before and it was right again. But to show you how silly the premise of us having to find new ways to debunk this stuff every time someone new says it, i would like to point something out.

Ae911 truth has about 1000 members or so. So by your logic for each and every one we have to deal with the same claims, but in a different way each time. So that would be 1000 ways just from that site alone we would have to debunk this nonsense. Isn't that a bit of overkill, hell i don't think its even possible , i could think of very few things that could be explained correctly 1000 different ways. And this isn't even taking into account any other websites.

Now if i have misunderstood you and you are not saying that we have to debunk it a new way for each guy, then why are the current methods of debunking his regurgitated garbage not applicable? His claims are no different that the ones already done, only the speaker is.

 

[Alferd_Packer]

Been so long since I have even heard of this guy, I had forgotten him. This is the guy who worked in "demolition" and turned it into "I am a demolition expert" is he not?

Not even a real demolition worker but an asbestos abatment worker.

Stripping mag block from pipes in a school basement does not qualify for much, even amung real demoltion workers.

 

[eromitlab]

Man, I haven't heard a truther mention Torin Wolf in years. One of them was this gibbwake fellow who's now moved to pushing all manner of Obama CTs, the other paired him with Danny Jowenko. Says something that truthers are still willing to throw Mike the EMT and Countdown with Kevin McPadden at the shills that disagree with them, but not Wolf.