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Darat said:
Very funny but absolutely terrifying (if the audience and participants were "real").

The Spirit Academy - most of the people they showed were out and out liars!

Strong word but there is no other word to describe what they were doing, they knew it didn’t make sense, they knew they weren’t “predicting” anything and so on. Plus there was collusion (that was almost too blatent to be called collusion!). One of them pretended to be hypnotised by Shirley and then Shirley put a toy train into a box in front of him, (making a train noise as well) and then when the guy pretended to "flinch" when Shirley told him to "wake up". The guy then "successfully" identified it was train in the box! This bloke knew he was making it it up, he knew he had seen the train and heard it and yet still participated and acted as if it was amazing he identified the train.

The ones on this programme were shown not only to be self-deluded but also willing to participate in deluded, lying behaviour. I know editing can create many false impressions but from what was shown I've seriously reconsidered some of my more "charitable" thoughts about some people who say they believe they have psychic powers. E.g. they are out and out liars who for whatever reason want others to think they have magic powers and they don’t care how they go about it. These people are not “genuinely” self-deluded, they are not mistaken or have just failed to apply critical thinking they are deceitful, manipulative and liars.

I was genuinely shocked.
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Lighten up. This is comedy. Those people are just average joes having their 5 mins of fame. Leave them alone. They're obviously no more psychic than Derek Acorah or Colin Fry. Call it lies ifIyou like but I think they were being creative, trying to win themselves this title of shirley's assistant. I expect many of them found it as amusing doing it, as you & i find it to watch.
 
Shirley Ghostman

Speaking as someone who was filmed for the show I'm a bit reluctant to judge the apparent behaviour of others who are taking part.

Some bits were very funny and Mark Wootton carries the role well but what we actually see members of the public apparently doing may well be far from the actual truth.

Tony Youens
(See: http://www.tonyyouens.com/shirley.htm
 
BBC3

Hello Everyone,

If any of you are going to watch the next episode of 'High Spirits' this evening at 9.30pm (GMT) on March 8th, you may just catch me being interviewed at the end....yes, I appear on this programme!

It was recorded on January 30th in a disused church in Belsize Park, North London. It was freezing cold inside that church. The audience were real people, and we were all told beforehand that it was going to be a spoof. The emphasis is on comedy, and sending-up of mediums. We were asked if we wanted to take part. Marc (aka 'Shirley') is a real medium, but that wasn't the point of the show. It was a real hoot, a good laugh and a great night out. Marc worked very, very hard to make that show as entertaining as it could be, and we audience appreciated it.

Flipping heck, if we mediums can't laugh at ourselves and send ourselves up occasionally, what hope is there?

Enjoy it!

Patsy.
xxxxxxx
 
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songstress said:
Hello Everyone,

Marc (aka 'Shirley') is a real medium, but that wasn't the point of the show.
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No, no he's not, he's a comedian.

songstress said:


Flipping heck, if we mediums can't laugh at ourselves and send ourselves up occasionally, what hope is there?

Enjoy it!

Patsy.
xxxxxxx
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I'm stunned. So stunned I don't know what to say.
 
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andycal said:
I'm stunned. So stunned I don't know what to say.
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patsy

n : a person who is gullible and easy to take advantage of [syn: chump, fool, gull, mark, fall guy, sucker, soft touch, mug]
 
How wonderful. To be able to convince people that they're in on the joke. What a skilled man.
 
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songstress said:
Marc (aka 'Shirley') is a real medium, but that wasn't the point of the show. It was a real hoot, a good laugh and a great night out. Marc worked very, very hard to make that show as entertaining as it could be, and we audience appreciated it.

Flipping heck, if we mediums can't laugh at ourselves and send ourselves up occasionally, what hope is there?

Enjoy it!

Patsy.
xxxxxxx
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You are, of course, joking.

Aren't you?

Surely.

Please tell me you are.
 
She's not. I've checked some of her other posts. I beleive you'll see her walking around old London Town with a permanant grin clutching a book by Carol Caplin.

But it shows one of the biggest problems of the woo-woo crowd - the inability to see when people are so obviously taking the pi55 out of them.

I began the year with a clear objective "Stop making fun of believers in weird stuff". I've given up - they're all stark raving bonkers.
 
If songstress is really serious about this then it is an incredible display of how willing to be deceived people who believe in psychics really are.

They are so active in their own deception that they will ignore any amount of conflicting evidence to maintain their own firmly held beliefs.

How anyone could actually believe a 'genuine' psychic would stand up on television, pretend to channel the spirit of Princess Diana and then claim she walked in on the Queen taking a bath and saw her sucking one of her own **ts, is actually beyond me.

It kind of renders anything else such a gullible person might believe as sort of dismissable out of hand.

I will certainly be watching tonights programme with keen interest.
 
songstress said:
Andycat,

How do you know that I am 'stark raving bonkers'? You don't even know me!

Patsy.
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You say you believe Marc Wootton is a genuine psychic.

I think Andycat is going by that.
 
Ashles,

I think that Andycat is misreading my words. While I suspect that Marc is a genuine medium, the emphasis of the show was on comedy and send-ups.

However, Marc chooses to send himself up, but that doesn't mean that members of the audience who attended should be held up to be 'bonkers' without any sort of justification. We only wanted a night out and a good laugh, which is what we got. I presume that Andycat wasn't at the recording? If he was, I missed him.

Patsy.
xxxxx
 
songstress said:
Ashles,

I think that Andycat is misreading my words. While I suspect that Marc is a genuine medium, the emphasis of the show was on comedy and send-ups.

However, Marc chooses to send himself up, but that doesn't mean that members of the audience who attended should be held up to be 'bonkers' without any sort of justification. We only wanted a night out and a good laugh, which is what we got. I presume that Andycat wasn't at the recording? If he was, I missed him.

Patsy.
xxxxx
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This is exactly the point.

Marc is NOT A MEDIUM. He is a COMEDIAN.

The fact that you continue to be fooled by such an obvious fraud (that has been explained to you and is actually revealed at the start of the programme) speaks volumes.

A link for you

Another link for you

Still think he's a genuine medium?


(Edited to add - I can only hope you are really joking, but your previous posts make me doubt it)
 
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tonyyouens said:
Speaking as someone who was filmed for the show I'm a bit reluctant to judge the apparent behaviour of others who are taking part.
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Ah yes, I remember you talking about this at the time. So this is what it was for! Looks like it's worked out quite well.
 
songstress said:
Andycat,

How do you know that I am 'stark raving bonkers'? You don't even know me!

Patsy.
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Hmmm, 'Andycat' I like that, I might actually change my real name to it.... ;)

I know you're 'stark raving bonkers' because you believe this drivel and to make up for being suckered into going along you are creating this fantasy story that Marc Wooton is a medium who is sending up his own art.

It's just delusion layered onto delusion, then, just for a laugh, let's layer another delusion on top of it.

People are crazy. This past six months I've stopped being so quiet in my opposition to mediums and other frauds and it's amazed me just how stupid people are.

Strong words I know, but really, if you think he was anything other than a comedian, you've got to be really gullible.

I mean, your profile has you out as a spiritualist medium. Now, the people who started spiritualism openly admitted it was made up. One of them even apologised for the whole shebang and the massive disinformation, lies etc that have led to it becoming a world-wide mind sucking cult.

But you still believe??!!!!

OK, I've only been 'skepticing' (new word, make a note) for a few years and perhaps I'll get over it, but currently I'm going through a phase where I :

Just.can't.believe.how.stupid.people.are!

I just don't get it!!!

Honestly, every day I meet people who somehow manage to breathe properly, operate machinery, drive cars etc, yet they haven't got the nous to realise when they're being duped by even the most obvious crap?!!!

How the hell do they survive?!!!!

I mean, if ever there was an argument against evolution, this is it!!! Survival of the fittest my arse.

We need a good war, that'll sort 'em out...

Gotta calm down..... my aura's gone all red.... must check my chakra....
 
andycal said:
Now, the people who started spiritualism openly admitted it was made up. One of them even apologised for the whole shebang and the massive disinformation, lies etc that have led to it becoming a world-wide mind sucking cult.
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Do you have a link for this story? I'd like to read the details.

(I'd also like this show repeated on BBC2 for us digitally-challenged viewers - any rumours of such an event?)

Rolfe.
 
songstress said:
Ashles,

I think that Andycat is misreading my words. While I suspect that Marc is a genuine medium, the emphasis of the show was on comedy and send-ups.
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What makes you think he is genuine? Was it part of his performance that convinced you?

Maybe the bit where he described a picture of a piggy faced person (with eyes like p*ss-holes in the snow) which was clearly intended to be the person he was talking to?

Or when he contacted someone who had been charged by a hippo?

What was the most impressive part, from your perspective?
 
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