Today's Mass Shooting

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Warp12 said:
I would have to look at the individual cases, including all races. The point is, the numbers do not support that fatal police shootings of unarmed individuals is an epidemic, of any sort. No matter what race you are.
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18 unarmed people killed by the police in a year seems pretty epidemic to me
How many are shot but don't die?

Why are unarmed people being killed by the police at all?
 
Captain_Swoop said:
18 unarmed people killed by the police in a year seems pretty epidemic to me
How many are shot but don't die?

Why are unarmed people being killed by the police at all?
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As I say, you have to look at the individual cases. Being unarmed does not necessarily mean that you did not pose a potentially deadly threat. Certainly there is some injustice taking place, but 60 people across all races, out of 10 million arrests? Out of a population of 340 million? Not an epidemic, imo.
 
Warp12 said:
As I say, you have to look at the individual cases. Being unarmed does not necessarily mean that you did not pose a potentially deadly threat. Certainly there is some injustice taking place, but 60 people across all races, out of 10 million arrests? Out of a population of 340 million? Not an epidemic, imo.
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Statistically, very fair point. In fact, a skeptic would say such an incidence is in the vanishingly small noise range. Not to say it is still not a problem; any cop killing citizens at any time is horrific. They are not combatants or State appiointed executioners. Every single George Floyd and Danny Shaver should be met with protests in the street, and if I had my way, virtually certain incarceration of the cop for generations.

But these discussions give off the impression that the skeptics here get so emotional that they lose their ability to keep it in perspective. And hearing an upper class black person like Michelle Obama saying she is in fear of random police violence is just obsene. She, and her children and husband, are bulletproof by way of their social standing and she damn right well knows it. That "we are all in this together" **** don't fly. Some are in it far, far more than others.
 
If only Baltimore, Ferguson, and all those cities would elect progressive city councils that would notuse traffic infractions as a revenue gold mine. Maybe they could even writelaws and standards to take on their police unions.
 
Warp12 said:
Good way to ignore the stats, lol. Must be an epidemic of killings! :rolleyes:
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I never said that. It in fact has nothing to do with my post.
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You excel at trying to dodge the point of posts you respond to. Emphasis on "try".
 
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Belz... said:
Unarmed black people are scary, after all.
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Who, apart from you, said that?

That's not the point I was going for.

On the face of it, shooting an unarmed man seems fairly egregious but I (and one other it seems) can easily come up with a scenario where such an individual could present an immediate threat to life, no matter what colour they are.

Sure, it's unlikely to have transpired as such in all 18 cases being touted but I'd have thought that we sceptics would have paused to consider the stories behind all 18 before presenting them as irrefutable evidence of.....something.
 
bluesjnr said:
Who, apart from you, said that?

That's not the point I was going for.

On the face of it, shooting an unarmed man seems fairly egregious but I (and one other it seems) can easily come up with a scenario where such an individual could present an immediate threat to life, no matter what colour they are.

Sure, it's unlikely to have transpired as such in all 18 cases being touted but I'd have thought that we sceptics would have paused to consider the stories behind all 18 before presenting them as irrefutable evidence of.....something.
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Man, "18"...incredible. Police perform about 10 million arrests per year. There are 40 million+ African Americans. There were 60 total such killings, across every race, of the 340 million Americans. Obviously, this is an epidemic.
 
bluesjnr said:
On the face of it, shooting an unarmed man seems fairly egregious but I (and one other it seems) can easily come up with a scenario where such an individual could present an immediate threat to life, no matter what colour they are.
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I was thinking about the many ways this could happen. Any fight with a police officer is a candidate, because although the suspect may be unarmed, there is a weapon involved. But a more notable one popped into my head; the incident several years ago in Florida where a man was in the process of eating the face off of another living person. He ended up getting shot, even though he was unarmed.
 
sir drinks-a-lot said:
I was thinking about the many ways this could happen. Any fight with a police officer is a candidate, because although the suspect may be unarmed, there is a weapon involved. But a more notable one popped into my head; the incident several years ago in Florida where a man was in the process of eating the face off of another living person. He ended up getting shot, even though he was unarmed.
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Can't see a reason why a gun would be the first choice in either of those cases.
 
There are situations, but equally there are situations caught on bodycam where it wasn't appropriate to shoot someone with a weapon.

For example where they were not breaking any laws, legally carrying a gun and trying to follow police instructions.
 
I'd say Michelle has at least 3.6 times more reason to fear that her kids might be shot than some others:


https://jjie.org/2021/02/11/police-...ects-show-the-young-more-likely-to-be-killed/

When police describe the suspect as unarmed and not attacking anyone, African Americans are 3.6 times more likely and Latinx and Native suspects twice as likely, to be shot and killed by police as similarly unarmed, nonattacking white suspects.
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I don't know that being shot by police is her only concern, I doubt it. I think someone here made that up.
 
Steve said:
Can't see a reason why a gun would be the first choice in either of those cases.
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If it's the case I'm thinking of the guy being attacked was still alive (he actually lived though having a large chunk of his face being bitten off) and the officer shot the perpetrator to try to save the victim's life. The only other choice would have been to try to physically restrain the guy, and a single officer trying that with someone that's obviously on PCP or bath salts is incredibly dangerous.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miami_cannibal_attack
 
cmikes said:
If it's the case I'm thinking of the guy being attacked was still alive (he actually lived though having a large chunk of his face being bitten off) and the officer shot the perpetrator to try to save the victim's life. The only other choice would have been to try to physically restrain the guy, and a single officer trying that with someone that's obviously on PCP or bath salts is incredibly dangerous.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miami_cannibal_attack
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Ok, I'll concede that one. There are always exceptions.
 
cmikes said:
If it's the case I'm thinking of the guy being attacked was still alive (he actually lived though having a large chunk of his face being bitten off) and the officer shot the perpetrator to try to save the victim's life. The only other choice would have been to try to physically restrain the guy, and a single officer trying that with someone that's obviously on PCP or bath salts is incredibly dangerous.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miami_cannibal_attack
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Yeah, that's the one.
 
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