Today's Mass Shooting

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sir drinks-a-lot said:
OK, so you accused me of being unfamiliar with the discussion as a "tactic" of some sort that was deserving of contempt. Then upon realizing that it was you who where unfamiliar with the discussion you've been participating in added this:



It seems like you want to bring up a disparity in contacts between the police and white people and police and black people.

I agree. There is one.

I still think Michelle Obama's (alleged) fears are silly.
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Backing a little closer to the thread topic - Many millions of Americans own and carry guns because of silly fears. A substantial number of those American gun owners use those guns to shoot other Americans because of silly fears. Some of those American shooters shoot several other Americans at a time because of silly fears, and qualify for discussion in this very lengthy thread. Silly fears are an American tradition, codified in your Second Amendment and related gun laws. Michelle Obama with her silly fears is just a normal American, and not really worthy of a mention here unless (until?) she goes out and shoots a few other Americans.
 
Belz... said:
Her? No, she probably stole it, right? Better stop her to make sure. SHE MADE A MOVE!!!! (blam)
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In the US, Police make around 10 million arrests per year. The are 40 million+ African Americans. In 2020, 18 unarmed African Americans were shot and killed by police. That death toll is according to the Washington Post.

I'll leave it up to you to decide whether that constitutes an epidemic, or if use of that word might be an exaggeration.
 
Why are any unarmed African Americans shot and killed by the police in any year?
 
Warp12 said:
In the US, Police make around 10 million arrests per year. The are 40 million+ African Americans. In 2020, 18 unarmed African Americans were shot and killed by police. That death toll is according to the Washington Post.
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Captain_Swoop said:
Why are any unarmed African Americans shot and killed by the police in any year?
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You would have to look at the individual cases. And this doesn't just go for African Americans. But the main issue is, how prevalent is this scenario? Does it really justify LeBron James claiming that blacks are being "hunted"? Should the average person fear going out to pick up milk?

The numbers don't support these notions, imo.
 
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Warp12 said:
In the US, Police make around 10 million arrests per year. The are 40 million+ African Americans. In 2020, 18 unarmed African Americans were shot and killed by police. That death toll is according to the Washington Post.

I'll leave it up to you to decide whether that constitutes an epidemic, or if use of that word might be an exaggeration.
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Why are you telling me this, rather than address what I said or letting it slide?
 
Belz... said:
Why are you telling me this, rather than address what I said or letting it slide?
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I did address what you said, and the relative likelihood of your hypothetical scenario.

As usual, I am certain that you understood the point.
 
Warp12 said:
I did address what you said, and the relative likelihood of your hypothetical scenario.

As usual, I am certain that you understood the point.
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I never said I didn't understand. I told you that it had nothing to do with what I said. YOU missed MY point, which had nothing to do with likelihood.
 
Warp12 said:
In the US, Police make around 10 million arrests per year. The are 40 million+ African Americans. In 2020, 18 unarmed African Americans were shot and killed by police. That death toll is according to the Washington Post.

I'll leave it up to you to decide whether that constitutes an epidemic, or if use of that word might be an exaggeration.
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Is that number acceptable to you? You appear to brushing it off as insignificant. Is it merely the price of policing in the USA? Is the descriptor of "epidemic" a more significant issue than the unnecessary deaths of 18 human beings?
 
Steve said:
Is that number acceptable to you? You appear to brushing it off as insignificant. Is it merely the price of policing in the USA? Is the descriptor of "epidemic" a more significant issue than the unnecessary deaths of 18 human beings?
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I would have to look at the individual cases, including all races. The point is, the numbers do not support that fatal police shootings of unarmed individuals is an epidemic, of any sort. No matter what race you are.
 
sir drinks-a-lot said:
OK, so you accused me of being unfamiliar with the discussion as a "tactic" of some sort that was deserving of contempt. Then upon realizing that it was you who where unfamiliar with the discussion you've been participating in added this:







It seems like you want to bring up a disparity in contacts between the police and white people and police and black people.



I agree. There is one.



I still think Michelle Obama's (alleged) fears are silly.
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I did confuse elements of the discussion in the police behavior thread.

Although similar data was discussed not a page or so back in this thread.

But anyone familiar with the topic broadly would know the disparity exists in nearly every study where data could be combed through.

And still that leaves even if I did introduce the issue more recently that doesn't invalidate asking the question or seem like a sensible reason to dismiss it.

If you didn't want to answer, you could have just not answered.
 
Steve said:
Is that number acceptable to you? You appear to brushing it off as insignificant. Is it merely the price of policing in the USA? Is the descriptor of "epidemic" a more significant issue than the unnecessary deaths of 18 human beings?
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I've been in a few relationships in my life where we never seemed to talk about an issue for very long until how I was participating in the discussion became what the discussion was about.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Why are any unarmed African Americans shot and killed by the police in any year?
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Why are any unarmed Caucasians shot and killed by the police in any year?

Why are any people of Hispanic descent shot and killed by the police in any year?

Because the world is an imperfect place, and that includes police interaction with the citizens of the US. Ideally, there would be zero of the above, but we haven't attained that ideal yet.
 
Warp12 said:
You would have to look at the individual cases. And this doesn't just go for African Americans. But the main issue is, how prevalent is this scenario? Does it really justify LeBron James claiming that blacks are being "hunted"? Should the average person fear going out to pick up milk?

The numbers don't support these notions, imo.
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There is more to violence and victimisation than killing. Again, look at what happened in Baltimore. Look at Homan Square. Look at Fergusson.

Black people were being targeted for fines and incarcerated unjustifiably by the authorities there. Police beat up one person, and charged him with damaging police property for bleeding on it.
 
Warp12 said:
I would have to look at the individual cases, including all races. The point is, the numbers do not support that fatal police shootings of unarmed individuals is an epidemic, of any sort. No matter what race you are.
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Considering that it has been pointed out in a number of threads here over several years that such statistics and details are not kept and disseminated by any authority in the USA I will take that as an avoidance of the issue.
 
Steve said:
Is that number acceptable to you? You appear to brushing it off as insignificant. Is it merely the price of policing in the USA? Is the descriptor of "epidemic" a more significant issue than the unnecessary deaths of 18 human beings?
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Are you absolutely sure that all of the shootings were unnecessary?
 
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