Today's Mass Shooting

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I'd say Black Lives Matter was a concept, rather than a ideological group. Black people's lives demonstrably not mattering is something of a canary in the coal mine, there's a problem and there's a warning sign. It's not going to end with black people, it's not going to end with brown people. Everyone in the mine is at risk.
 
Silly Green Monkey said:
I'd say Black Lives Matter was a concept, rather than a ideological group. Black people's lives demonstrably not mattering is something of a canary in the coal mine, there's a problem and there's a warning sign. It's not going to end with black people, it's not going to end with brown people. Everyone in the mine is at risk.
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Ahem...everyone in the mine is at risk. In the boardroom, you're pretty safe.
 
Wolrab said:
What? You stated,"This implies that blacklivesmatter is an organisation" and plainly it is.
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Focus on the singular article I used and my meaning will become clear.

Blacklives matter isn't an organisation - one, single, monolithic organisation. It's many, scattered, of varying sizes, levels of organisation and amounts of activity, and therefore CaptainHowdy's complaint that they are disorganised is not relevant. If they were an organisation, then their disorganisedness would be a valid complaint.
 
On the Peoria shooting:
The situation, the two women said, seemed to start over a fight between two females. No men were initially involved, they stressed, and they also said this wasn’t a gang incident. Rather, Smith said it was ego-driven.

“Some boy wanted be a macho man, and that’s how it all started,” she said.

From their point of view, a man fired one, maybe two shots in the air at about 4:40 a.m., and then all hell broke loose. Police said at a news conference on Monday that officers found more than 100 shell casings at the scene.
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https://www.pjstar.com/news/20200720/witnesses-say-lsquoegorsquo-fight-between-women-started-peoria-shooting-incident-that-injured-13

This is the Riverfront Park area in downtown Peoria. Peoria's nightlife pretty much revolves around the downtown area.

Some might notice that this happened at 4:40 AM and wonder why there was a gathering at that hour. In Peoria, this is not unusual. The bars are open until 4:00AM. When I lived there, our standard practice was to go to a non-downtown bar until it closed (1:00 or 2:00) and then head downtown to the night clubs. So this was pretty much right after closing time.
 
Bogative said:
Another noteworthy shooting, this time 14 people were shot in Chicago, Illinois.





https://abc7chicago.com/14-shot-at-auburn-gresham-funeral--home-police-say/6328084/

Hopefully someday this Jim Crow person who is responsible for all of these shootings will finally be arrested.
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Do you think increasing the Chicago PD budget will do anything about this? How many more decades of Tough on Crime policing before we finally dig ourselves out of this problem with violent crime in impoverished neighborhoods?
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
Do you think increasing the Chicago PD budget will do anything about this? How many more decades of Tough on Crime policing before we finally dig ourselves out of this problem with violent crime in impoverished neighborhoods?
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Crime had been decreasing (with the exception of Rape- which has also experienced an expanded definition over the last few decades) on a trajectory that was somewhat in parallel with "tough on crime", "broken windows" style policing over the last few decades.
Cities which had become "no-go" zones in the 70's and 80's were experiencing a resurgence in population and vitality (with a few exceptions).
This coincided with more aggressive policing.

So, Yes, there is evidence that a larger police budget reduces crime in impoverished neighborhoods (and not-so impoverished neighborhoods). Increasing the Chicago police budget is arguably exactly what is needed to achieve safer neighborhoods.
 
Distracted1 said:
Crime had been decreasing (with the exception of Rape- which has also experienced an expanded definition over the last few decades) on a trajectory that was somewhat in parallel with "tough on crime", "broken windows" style policing over the last few decades.
Cities which had become "no-go" zones in the 70's and 80's were experiencing a resurgence in population and vitality (with a few exceptions).
This coincided with more aggressive policing.

So, Yes, there is evidence that a larger police budget reduces crime in impoverished neighborhoods (and not-so impoverished neighborhoods). Increasing the Chicago police budget is arguably exactly what is needed to achieve safer neighborhoods.
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It was decreasing in cities with "broken windows" style policing. It was decreasing in cities without "broken windows" style policing. It was going down pretty steadily through liberal and conservative administrations at city, state, and national levels.


(I don't have a problem with the "broken windows" theory. It makes sense to me, and may very well have been exactly right for New York. I don't live there so I don't pay that much attention to it. However, I wouldn't credit it with the overall decline in crime.)
 
Meadmaker said:
It was decreasing in cities with "broken windows" style policing. It was decreasing in cities without "broken windows" style policing. It was going down pretty steadily through liberal and conservative administrations at city, state, and national levels.


(I don't have a problem with the "broken windows" theory. It makes sense to me, and may very well have been exactly right for New York. I don't live there so I don't pay that much attention to it. However, I wouldn't credit it with the overall decline in crime.)
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It was decreasing in parallel with "tough on crime" initiatives of all sorts.
As police budgets were increasing, through local control- and federal assistance.
 
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Distracted1 said:
I was decreasing in parallel with "tough on crime" initiatives of all sorts.
As police budgets were increasing, through local control- and federal assistance.
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There is no evidence that there is causation here, and cities that had especially tough policies did not see an especially sharp drop that you'd expect if the relationship was real.
 
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