Today's Mass Shooting

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Latest... it may have been a shootout.

2 wounded, suspects at large in shooting at Tanforan Mall in San Bruno, California

San Francisco Chronicle said:
Two young men were shot and two other people were injured in a shooting at Tanforan Mall in San Bruno on Tuesday afternoon, causing panic at the bustling shopping area as police hunted for two gunmen, officials said.

The gunfire erupted around 4 p.m. when two separate shooters opened fire “at each other, or someone else,” San Bruno police Chief Ed Barberini said.

Two gunshot victims, both teenagers, suffered wounds to their “lower extremities” and were stable when they were transported to San Francisco General Hospital, said San Bruno Fire Chief David Cresta. One victim was in critical condition and the other in serious condition, hospital spokesman Brent Andrew said.

Two other people who were injured in the aftermath of the shooting declined medical treatment, Cresta said.

“This is a silly, stupid, tragic event,” Barberini said. “It’s a senseless event. It’s a shame we have to deal with this.”

Dozens of police from multiple jurisdictions swarmed the mall on early reports about a possible active shooter...

https://www.sfchronicle.com/crime/a...-shooter-at-Tanforan-Mall-in-San-14068013.php
 
“This is a silly, stupid, tragic event,” Barberini said. “It’s a senseless event. It’s a shame we have to deal with this.”
You got that right. So what are you doing about it, America?

Nothing. You're doing nothing.
 
You got that right. So what are you doing about it, America?

Nothing. You're doing nothing.
I am doing the right thing and it's what every other American should do. It's simple and easy.

I am not shooting anybody.

And as far as I can tell, all of the American ISF members are doing the same. They are not shooting anybody.

The problem isn't us, the problem is them. How do we make them stop shooting? They shoot every single day. Do we ask them or demand it or what? Is it the mother's fault? Do they not teach their sons not to shoot?

Not shooting people is one of the easiest things I have ever done.
 
Same way. By not shooting anybody.
Interesting. It seems that fewer Americans than people of other developed countries are able to not shoot anybody, since there are more shootings in America than in any other developed country per capita, by several orders of magnitude. Is it perhaps just easier for us to not shoot people?
 
Interesting. It seems that fewer Americans than people of other developed countries are able to not shoot anybody, since there are more shootings in America than in any other developed country per capita, by several orders of magnitude. Is it perhaps just easier for us to not shoot people?

Statistics do indicate that it is definitely easier to not shoot people if one is not American. It is also easier to not own a gun to shoot people with if one is not American.
 
Statistics do indicate that it is definitely easier to not shoot people if one is not American. It is also easier to not own a gun to shoot people with if one is not American.
I am absolutely unable to choose to shoot someone today. I am also absolutely unable to choose now to shoot someone tomorrow. In fact, I'm absolutely unable to choose now to shoot someone any time in the next month. If I did some research, I might be able to choose to shoot someone after that. If I wanted to deal with criminal gangs, I could choose to shoot someone sooner than that, but I don't want to do that, and wouldn't know how to get in contact with them.

It's not just that it's easy to not shoot someone, it's that it's impossible to not not shoot someone, even if I really want to shoot someone.
 
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Many Americans keep loaded firearms in easy reach at all time. This makes it easy to escalate a conflict or argument into homicide.

Here are a few examples from my local area. Depressed middle age guy shoots his wife then himself. Young buck in a pickup truck shoots his girlfriend after she tells him she is leaving. Guy out on a double date celebrating his girlfriend’s birthday shoots the other three before turning the gun on himself. To this day we don’t know why because the only survivor suffered severe brain damage.
 
Many Americans keep loaded firearms in easy reach at all time. This makes it easy to escalate a conflict or argument into homicide.

Here are a few examples from my local area. Depressed middle age guy shoots his wife then himself. Young buck in a pickup truck shoots his girlfriend after she tells him she is leaving. Guy out on a double date celebrating his girlfriend’s birthday shoots the other three before turning the gun on himself. To this day we don’t know why because the only survivor suffered severe brain damage.

So I'm immediately thinking give all the guns to women to look after.
 
Article about the STEM school shooting. (June? May? Not terribly long ago.)

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/amberjamieson/colorado-stem-school-shooting


(Needless to say, the information is difficult to confirm, and there should be some "allegedly" and "supposedly" and the like. I'm going to present details very briefly, and as if they were true, but only for simplicity. It will take some time to verify things, if it can ever be done.)


Highlights:


Both shooters were high on cocaine during the shooting.

The younger shooter, McKinney was the ringleader. He was seeking revenge against specific students who had misgendered him.


Both had a history of mental illness and drug abuse.


The elder, Erickson, was a reluctant participant, but kept getting pushed forward by McKinney. He told police after his arrest that he kept thinking he would reveal the plot, but he kept backing away, sometimes because McKinney threatened him. His last attempt, he claims, was actually at the beginning of the shooting. He charged into the classroom and told everyone to not move. He was, he said, going to warn them that the other shooter, McKinney, had a gun and was going to shoot, although McKinney said that was all part of the plan. The plan was that Erickson would tell them to stay still, and then McKinney would go into the room and kill specific, intended, victims.


So, not really a classic school shooting, in which a person decides to kill as many people as he can, with little regard for who gets killed. Exactly what it was is difficult to say, but we may never be able to know exactly who intended what. All we know for sure is that three people jumped one of the shooters as soon as he said anything, and one of those three ended up dead.

ETA: And I may have gotten some details slightly wrong. My intent wasn't to give an accurate account, but provide a few bits that might be of interest, and let people read the article for themselves if they wished.
 
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I am absolutely unable to choose to shoot someone today. I am also absolutely unable to choose now to shoot someone tomorrow. In fact, I'm absolutely unable to choose now to shoot someone any time in the next month. If I did some research, I might be able to choose to shoot someone after that. If I wanted to deal with criminal gangs, I could choose to shoot someone sooner than that, but I don't want to do that, and wouldn't know how to get in contact with them.

It's not just that it's easy to not shoot someone, it's that it's impossible to not not shoot someone, even if I really want to shoot someone.

Many Americans keep loaded firearms in easy reach at all time. This makes it easy to escalate a conflict or argument into homicide.

Here are a few examples from my local area. Depressed middle age guy shoots his wife then himself. Young buck in a pickup truck shoots his girlfriend after she tells him she is leaving. Guy out on a double date celebrating his girlfriend’s birthday shoots the other three before turning the gun on himself. To this day we don’t know why because the only survivor suffered severe brain damage.

Compare the two posts.

For many in the US, shooting someone could be an impulse decision. Most people are OK even if they have access to lethal weapons, but for the small minority that arent, there's little stopping them in the US. Also, because a lot of the problem seems to be impulsive shootings, any convictions or cautions for violence should be considered as red flags, preferably forever, but at least for several years.
 
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Maybe we should use the Stanford University definition for this thread.

Stanford University Library said:
The definition of mass shooting used for the Stanford database is 3 or more shooting victims (not necessarily fatalities), not including the shooter. The shooting must not be identifiably gang, drug, or organized crime related.

https://library.stanford.edu/projects/mass-shootings-america
 
Active shooters right now at an El Paso Texas mall. Multiple dead and injured. Shooters are said to have assault-style rifles.
 
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