Today's Mass Shooting

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The shooter killed 12 people. He was killed by police. So 13 people are dead if you include the shooter.

Daily Mail said:
The gunman is said to have shot one victim in his vehicle outside the building before continuing his rampage and killing people across all three floors of the offices. Four others were injured including a police officer.

He is said to have used a .45 caliber handgun complete with a suppressor and multiple extended magazines.

Unlike some states, silencers are legal in Virginia, though it is illegal to have one in Virginia Beach per local ordinance.

Police say they have recovered 'additional weapons' that were in the possession of the suspect...
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...disgruntled-Virginia-Beach-city-employee.html

Shooter is DeWayne Craddock pictured here.
 

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The suspect used a .45-caliber handgun with a sound suppressor, Cervera said. The suspect, a city employee, was also armed with several magazines. Cervera said they have identified the suspect but it will not be released until after family is notified.

The suspect first opened fire outside the building, and one victim was found shot in a car outside the building, Cervera said. Four officers responded and engaged in what Cervera described as a "long-term gun battle."
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45 cal pistol with silencer. That is unusual.

Unlike some states, silencers are legal in Virginia, though it is illegal to have one in Virginia Beach per local ordinance.
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As far as I know this part is not true. Virginia Beach and some other places in VA ban open carry of certain weapons. I don't think any county or city in VA can have their own gun possession ban.
 
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BStrong said:
You and I both know that when the "S" word gets thrown around it doesn't mean that the device in question is actually a suppressor.
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True. I'm wondering if we will ever know more. Since there is no perp to charge with using an NFA firearm and no sentencing enhancement to go along with it, we might never know unless one of the victims sues the manufacturer or seller of the silencer.

Based on other links I've read, the shots were clearly audible. But depending on the acoustics of the scene, this may or may not mean the silencer was real.
 
Trebuchet said:
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Generally a claim should be somehow justified and we might ask for a citation, as you have just done.

A claim was made that black (mass) shooters are unusual. No citation was given for this claim. You don't even ask for a citation for the original claim.
 
Trebuchet said:
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There was this guy here Feb 2017: Gary Martin, aged 45, in a place called Aurora.

AURORA, Ill. — A disgruntled employee, who fatally shot five people and wounded five officers at an Illinois warehouse Friday, severely beat a woman years ago in a domestic violence incident that turned him into a felon — and should have kept him from buying a gun.
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We hear so much about disgruntled ex-employees but never gruntled ones.
 
Trebuchet said:
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Note all workplace specific, but there are plenty of crazy folks in every demographic:

https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2011/10/05/gunman-hunted-after-deadly-cupertino-quarry-shooting/

Surveillance video from the gas station showed that Allman – described as a black man about 5 feet 10 inches tall and weighing 215 pounds – was armed with a rifle and handgun when he fled there, Smith said.

https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Santa-Clara-Gun-Club-Shooter-Wanted-to-Kill-Self-2920923.php

The article doesn't cite Stevens race, but he is black.

A San Jose man intended to kill himself and others when he took three Santa Clara gun club employees hostage with a rented semiautomatic rifle Monday night, police said yesterday.

Richard Gable Stevens, 21, was in critical condition at Valley Medical Center in San Jose last night after one of the National Shooting Club employees shot him twice with a handgun. Police also later shot Stevens with plastic bullets to subdue him.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_Navy_Yard_shooting

The Washington Navy Yard shooting occurred on September 16, 2013, when a lone gunman, 34-year-old Aaron Alexis, fatally shot 12 people and injured three others in a mass shooting at the headquarters of the Naval Sea Systems Command (NAVSEA) inside the Washington Navy Yard in Southeast Washington, D.C. The attack, which took place in the Navy Yard's Building 197, began around 8:16 a.m. EDT and ended when Alexis was killed by police around 9:25 a.m. EDT.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Dorner_shootings_and_manhunt

Christopher Jordan Dorner (September 11, 1979 – February 12, 2013) was a Los Angeles police officer who, beginning on February 3, 2013, committed a series of shootings in Orange, Los Angeles, and Riverside counties in California. The victims were police and civilians, including police families. Dorner killed four people and wounded three others. The rampage ended on February 12, 2013, when Dorner died during a standoff with San Bernardino County Sheriff's Deputies after a shootout at a cabin in the San Bernardino Mountains.

A manifesto reportedly posted by Dorner on Facebook declared "unconventional and asymmetric warfare" upon the Los Angeles Police Department (LAPD), their families, and their associates, unless the LAPD admitted publicly he was fired in retaliation for reporting excessive force.[2][3][4][5][6]
 
Ranb said:
True. I'm wondering if we will ever know more. Since there is no perp to charge with using an NFA firearm and no sentencing enhancement to go along with it, we might never know unless one of the victims sues the manufacturer or seller of the silencer.

Based on other links I've read, the shots were clearly audible. But depending on the acoustics of the scene, this may or may not mean the silencer was real.
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I'm sure you've seen "fake" suppressors over the years and would recognize one quickly.

Unfortunately there are always more folks with opinions than knowledge and on more than one occasion I disappointed an individual officer or someone from the DA's office that really, really wanted that solid piece of aluminum or that sealed steel tube to be a can.
 
This thread is (only) 23 pages long and anyone can go back and see that there are numerous black mass shooters including one that was trans.

They are not unusual.

Also this thread does not contain every mass shooting and it generally doesn't include mass shootings with only one or two fatalities. For example, you could have a shooter who injures 15 and kills one. That might not even make this thread because this is mostly about mass deaths by a shooter.
 
William Parcher said:
Also this thread does not contain every mass shooting and it generally doesn't include mass shootings with only one or two fatalities. For example, you could have a shooter who injures 15 and kills one. That might not even make this thread because this is mostly about mass deaths by a shooter.
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I think you'll find exactly the opposite regarding this thread; in that the people who post incidents in it tend to pay attention to incidents in which there are multiple casualties of any kind, rather than meeting a threshold of actual deaths specifically.

Posters to this thread also include shootings of other categories that some insist shouldn't count, like "gang-related" or "drug-related" shootings, or people who start shooting into crowds of people but by chance only manage to actually wound maybe two or three before the event is effectively ended.
 
William Parcher said:
Exactly the opposite of what?
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That this thread "generally doesn't include mass shootings with only one or two fatalities".

ETA: for instance, the mass shooting discussed immediately prior to this incident only involved a single fatality and yet prompted two entire pages of discussion.
 
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Craig4 said:
Another 11 bodies for the Klan/NRA to step over on the way to go about their hobby.
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Yeah, I'm sure it was one of those Klan/NRA NAZI types who was responsible for this shooting. It's high time we crack down on these white supremacist types and take away their assault rifles.
 
Checkmite said:
That this thread "generally doesn't include mass shootings with only one or two fatalities".

ETA: for instance, the mass shooting discussed immediately prior to this incident only involved a single fatality and yet prompted two entire pages of discussion.
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You are saying that this thread contains many mass shootings with only one fatality?
 
Ranb said:
https://www.cbsnews.com/live-news/v...uspect-dead-injuries-2019-06-01-live-updates/
The suspect used a .45-caliber handgun with a sound suppressor, Cervera said. The suspect, a city employee, was also armed with several magazines. Cervera said they have identified the suspect but it will not be released until after family is notified.

The suspect first opened fire outside the building, and one victim was found shot in a car outside the building, Cervera said. Four officers responded and engaged in what Cervera described as a "long-term gun battle."
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45 cal pistol with silencer. That is unusual.

Unlike some states, silencers are legal in Virginia, though it is illegal to have one in Virginia Beach per local ordinance.
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As far as I know this part is not true. Virginia Beach and some other places in VA ban open carry of certain weapons. I don't think any county or city in VA can have their own gun possession ban.
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I may be misunderstanding either you or the article quote.

The quote appears to be saying that "silencers" are illegal in VB, not guns.

Are you saying that because the state of VA allows silencers that VB couldn't pass a local ordinance against them? Aside from gun possession?
 
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