Today's Mass Shooting

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I always wondered whether the NRA had a 'no guns' policy at their HQ/s
 
I rarely go on rants like this but I'm just so sick of it all.


People keep on talking about common sense gun laws. How the hell can we have common sense gun laws when common sense tells you gun ownership should be a privilege, not a right? And that's never going to change because heaven forbid we alter the precious document known as the Constitution; as if society could not possibly have changed much in the two hundred plus years since it was written so it doesn't need to be changed at all. Well, except for the 27 times it's been changed already, but never mind that because don't you dare touch the second amendment. The Constitution should be a living breathing document that changes with the times. But it isn't because everyone is so afraid of pissing everyone else off and then losing votes. It isn't because a lot of people pay a lot of money to make sure it doesn't change. It isn't because people don't know how to debate issues any more without one side or the other resorting to name calling. Snowflakes. Stable geniuses. And that's why nothing will ever change. People will still die en masse. And nothing will change. People will offer their thoughts and prayers and then we'll continue as if nothing ever happened. And nothing will change. As if nothing needs to change.

And all this because of one poorly worded ambiguous amendment written over two hundred years ago. All because nobody wants to challenge the fundamental point that the way things are right now, owning a machine capable of killing people quickly and efficiently is considered a right and not a privilege as common sense would tell you it should be. Because taking away that right and changing it to the privilege it should be would of course be indicative of a tyrannical government I guess. But hey, if you're a second amendment defender that's fine. The second amendment was actually created for situations just like that! So get your well regulated militia together (you are in a well regulated militia aren't you? You do after all support the second amendment) and rise up against the government. Just like the amendment was intended for and restore your freedoms!
 
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EventHorizon said:
I rarely go on rants like this but I'm just so sick of it all.


People keep on talking about common sense gun laws. How the hell can we have common sense gun laws when common sense tells you gun ownership should be a privilege, not a right? And that's never going to change because heaven forbid we alter the precious document known as the Constitution; as if society could not possibly have changed much in the two hundred plus years since it was written so it doesn't need to be changed at all. Well, except for the 27 times it's been changed already, but never mind that because don't you dare touch the second amendment. The Constitution should be a living breathing document that changes with the times. But it isn't because everyone is so afraid of pissing everyone else off and then losing votes. It isn't because a lot of people pay a lot of money to make sure it doesn't change. It isn't because people don't know how to debate issues any more without one side or the other resorting to name calling. Snowflakes. Stable geniuses. And that's why nothing will ever change. People will still die en masse. And nothing will change. People will offer their thoughts and prayers and then we'll continue as if nothing ever happened. And nothing will change. As if nothing needs to change.

And all this because of one poorly worded ambiguous amendment written over two hundred years ago. All because nobody wants to challenge the fundamental point that the way things are right now, owning a machine capable of killing people quickly and efficiently is considered a right and not a privilege as common sense would tell you it should be. Because taking away that right and changing it to the privilege it should be would of course be indicative of a tyrannical government I guess. But hey, if you're a second amendment defender that's fine. The second amendment was actually created for situations just like that! So get your well regulated militia together (you are in a well regulated militia aren't you? You do after all support the second amendment) and rise up against the government. Just like the amendment was intended for and restore your freedoms!
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But you have to understand modern political thought, the bits about the militia in the second amendment are like the bits about the press in the first, unnecessary filler.
 
deadrose said:
Bump for Florida school shooting and NSA shooting.
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And the florida one is great, it is part of the effort to really raise the bar on mass shootings. Now 7 out of the top 10 scoring mass shootings have been in the last decade, not old news like columbine or virginia tech.
 
EventHorizon said:
And all this because of one poorly worded ambiguous amendment written over two hundred years ago.
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Except that it wasn't poorly worded or ambiguous when it was written; it merely seems that way to people who don't understand linguistic drift and are not scholars of history, and that view is encouraged by those who use said ignorance to distort the original meaning in order to push their own agenda -- something both advocates and opponents are equally guilty of.

That said, the Constitution was designed in such a way that it could be updated as needed to meet the needs and principles of a changing culture, along with safeguards to help ensure such changes were not made whimsically or without a great deal of popular support. It's not a perfect system, but no human system can ever be perfect.
 
luchog said:
That said, the Constitution was designed in such a way that it could be updated as needed to meet the needs and principles of a changing culture, along with safeguards to help ensure such changes were not made whimsically or without a great deal of popular support. It's not a perfect system, but no human system can ever be perfect.
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Random thought experiment.

If the 2nd amendment was being drafted with knowledge about modern arms. How would it have been written?
 
Ambrosia said:
Random thought experiment.

If the 2nd amendment was being drafted with knowledge about modern arms. How would it have been written?
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Given standing national armed forces and a modern concept of law enforcement the second amendment would not exist in a federal constitution.
 
Can you imagine a country that would allow teachers to carry firearms to use on children?That's what is being pushed by some.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Can you imagine a country that would allow teachers to carry firearms to use on children?That's what is being pushed by some.
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If you're talking about the garbage fire sometimes called The United States of America, yeah, I can imagine it. Why wouldn't I? My country sucks.
 
It was seriously discussed after Sandy Hook and is surfacing again now.

One proposal was each class room has a locked gun cabinet that the teacher could access if an alarm went off. Another more extreme that the teachers should be carrying a pistol at all times.

Apart from the obvious dangers of a teacher going bonkers and shooting up the class or colleagues, it raises problems of security and training.
What happens when a weapon is lost or stolen? How much and what kind of training do you give your teachers? Is it compulsory to carry a weapon?
Is it moral to force teachers to become potential killers tp rpotect the rights of people that want easy access to buying assault weapons?
 
Arming the teachers would first require hiring more teachers so that there are the hours available for training.
Not going to happen, so why bother?
 
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Apart from the obvious dangers of a teacher going bonkers and shooting up the class or colleagues, it raises problems of security and training.
What happens when a weapon is lost or stolen? How much and what kind of training do you give your teachers? Is it compulsory to carry a weapon?
Is it moral to force teachers to become potential killers tp rpotect the rights of people that want easy access to buying assault weapons?
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Apart from it just being plain *********** bonkers, it would lead to only conservatives going into teaching, skewing the politics of schools, and possibly leading to the re-opening of nonsense such as the teaching of creationism. There's an agenda here, folks......
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Is it moral to force teachers to become potential killers tp rpotect the rights of people that want easy access to buying assault weapons?
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Or to place them in the position that they might feel morally compelled to place themselves in harms way to actively engage an attacker (or, potentially shooting another teacher or student in the stress and confusion of the moment)?

In the event of a fire should teachers get the kids out then suit up, grab a hose pipe and fire axe, and head back in to fight the blaze?
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Apart from the obvious dangers of a teacher going bonkers and shooting up the class or colleagues, it raises problems of security and training.
What happens when a weapon is lost or stolen? How much and what kind of training do you give your teachers? Is it compulsory to carry a weapon?
Is it moral to force teachers to become potential killers tp rpotect the rights of people that want easy access to buying assault weapons?
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How will the SWAT team tell who the bad guy is? In this case it would have been easy to think any adult was the perpetrator.
 
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