Today's Mass Shooting

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Which form of licensing does the UK need to review?

There are 32.7 million licenced drivers in E&W.
In 2020-1, 568 were convicted of death by dangerous driving, 1 in 57,570 drivers killed.

There are 580,600 licenced firearms holders in E&W.
In 2020-1, 1 used a gun to kill, 1 in 580,600.

We need to review driver licensing, it is not keeping us safe. Ten times more licenced drivers kill than licenced firearms holders.
 
There is a difference though, guns are designed for killing things. It is their primary purpose. Playing games with them is a secondary consideration.
 
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plague311 said:
I assume that's your point anyway.
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Like the rest of your diatribe, you assume wrong.


You never actually make one.
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Just posting links makes the point: that most mass shootings are not committed by Whites, not even close.

Another point I'm making is that the threat from the current bogeyman of the media and federal government – White DVE and MAGArs – is so minuscule compared to what happens in mainly inner cities around the country every day, it is not worth discussing on a small-scale much less a large-scale as they do on a nearly daily basis.

Observing the news today reminds me of the bogeyman the media and federal government foisted upon the American public 20 years ago and again prior to the invasion of Iraq. The parallels are striking and I can't say I'm surprised the "rational, objective thinking skeptics" here at ISF fall for it.



You spend hours looking up posts
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Hours? No. More like 20, maybe 30 minutes a week. I go to [URLhttps://www.gunviolencearchive.org/]GVA.org[/URL], click on "mass shootings," read through the links and post them here.
 
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gunviolencearchive.org is what the screwed up link is supposed to be.

It looks like Brooklyn, New York is going to close out this weekend's mass shootings.

8 wounded.

100-150 people were gathered outside an apartment complex listening to amplified music at 12:45 AM when two men opened fire into the crowd.

Police appealed to the public to come forward with any information they may have about the shooting.

“We’re asking for any help we can get,” Chell said. “There was about 100 to 150 people out here. People saw what happened.”
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11 mass shootings.

7 killed.

47 wounded.

0 Racially or Ethically Motivated Violent Extremist -White Supremacists or the trigger. Maybe next week.
 
Let's start this week's weekday list with

But Chicago!

4 wounded inside a business.


Philadelphia, Pennsylvania

1 killed, 4 wounded in a daytime shooting.


Brooklyn, New York

5 wounded in a drive-by as they were playing dice outside of a grocery store.


Los Angeles, California

4 wounded during a drive-by shooting at a homeless encampment.


Youngstown, Ohio

2 killed, 4 wounded.

A 10-year-old girl is dead.

He was talking about a conflict — apparently among adults — that caused the 2:27 a.m. Wednesday shooting death of a 10-year-old girl in her home at 619 Samuel Ave. on the South Side. The Mahoning County Coroner’s Office identified the child as Persayus Davis-May.

Brown suggested that the shooting is the result of a feud — like many in the city — in which the parties used guns to retaliate.
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Thankfully the police were not called to intervene in this feud, someone may have been hurt.


Germantown, Maryland

1 20-year-old killed, 3 juveniles between the ages of 12-17 wounded after an argument broke out while playing basketball.

A 14-year-old boy has been arrested for the shooting.
 
2 more mass shootings before the weekend starts.

Durham, North Carolina

1 killed, 3 wounded at an affordable housing community.


Flint, Michigan

1 killed, 3 wounded outside of a gas station.


8 mass shootings.

6 killed.

30 wounded.

0 Racially or Ethnically Motivated Violent Extremist -White Supremacists on the trigger.
 
Bogative said:
8 mass shootings.

6 killed.

30 wounded.

0 Racially or Ethnically Motivated Violent Extremist -White Supremacists on the trigger.
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GVA.org was a little late posting this mass shooting from Edgewood, Maryland.

1 killed, 3 wounded.

That changes the weekday totals to



9 mass shootings.

7 killed.

33 wounded.

0 Racially or Ethnically Motivated Violent Extremist -White Supremacists on the trigger.
 
A Portland, Oregon mass shooting will wrap up this weekend's count with 5 wounded.

I know what you're thinking with all the talk of "fascists" invading Portland and all the chaos and mayhem that follows. You would be wrong. This has nothing to do with the Proud Boys and everything to do with black on black violence.

In Portland, Oregon, over 1 in 1000 black residents died in a homicide. That is higher than the rates in Chicago, Philadelphia and Baltimore. Black people in Portland are 12 times more likely to die from homicide than Whites.

JaMarie Herring Sr. was shot and killed early Sunday morning inside Mingle Lounge. Family and friends gathered at the same lounge the following night for a vigil when five people were shot in a drive-by. Police estimate there were 40-50 people in the lounge at the time of the shooting, but everyone left before police showed up and no one is talking.

I know this is a tragic story, but Proud Boys!



6 mass shootings. (4 in But Chicago!)

4 killed.

24 wounded.

0 Proud Boys on the trigger.
 
This week's weekday round up is abnormally short.


But Chicago!

4 wounded, including a 16-year-old boy, in a drive-by shooting.


Minneapolis, Minnesota

7 wounded when two men exchanged gunfire outside of a business. An "aspiring rapper" was one of the injured.


Los Angeles, California

4 wounded.

Police are looking for two suspects.


The shooters' stances on COVID and the 2020 election are currently unknown but I'm willing to bet these are not the DVEs Joe Biden is looking for.
 
Nessie said:
Which form of licensing does the UK need to review?

There are 32.7 million licenced drivers in E&W.
In 2020-1, 568 were convicted of death by dangerous driving, 1 in 57,570 drivers killed.

There are 580,600 licenced firearms holders in E&W.
In 2020-1, 1 used a gun to kill, 1 in 580,600.

We need to review driver licensing, it is not keeping us safe. Ten times more licenced drivers kill than licenced firearms holders.
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How many hours per year does the average person drive vs average gun usage?

How many times does one use a car vs a gun per year?
 
But But Chicago!

4 wounded at a large outdoor party.


Huntington, West Virginia

2 killed, 2 wounded.

I initially thought this had potential to be a RMVE-WS, it involves a White shooter from West Virginia and was reported as a spree type shooting early on. But it's been over 36 hours and the talking holes on CNN and MSNBC are not currently blathering on about this shooting and how racist America is and Drumpfers are. They're just blathering on about how racist America is and Drumpfers are per usual. So I will assume it's not a DVE incident the FBI wants me to be scared about.
 
Weekend round up.

Nashville, Tennessee

5 wounded.

Drive-by.

Milwaukee, Wisconsin

4 wounded.

All four victims were female including two 17-year-olds and a 16-year-old.



7 mass shootings.

2 killed.

28 wounded.

0 RMVE–WS on the triggers. No word yet if political conspiracy theories or COVID-19 related stress attributed to these acts of violence.
 
Time to get the long Labor Day weekend started.

But Chicago!

5 wounded.

Drive-by.


East Austin, Texas

1 killed, 3 wounded.

Shooting at an apartment complex.


New Iberia, Louisiana

1 killed, 4 wounded.

Sneaker House is the scene of the crime, two men stepped out of a car and opened fire.


Niagara Falls, New York

4 wounded.

Nivon Smith, was wanted on charges in connection with a shooting in the same area on August 26. He was detained by officers after a brief foot chase and it was determined the gunshot grazed him in his buttocks, police also allegedly recovered a loaded hand gun from him.
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mgidm86 said:
How many hours per year does the average person drive vs average gun usage?

How many times does one use a car vs a gun per year?
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Depends what you mean by "use".

Is a "use" every time you drive your car? Every mile or kilometre you do? Every trip you make?

Are you "using" a firearm every time you fire a live round? Every time you empty a magazine-full? Every time you go hunting? Every time you go to the range for practice where you might shoot anywhere from 20 rounds to 200 rounds, or more?

Car use v Gun use cannot be quantified in that way.

Cars are designed to transport people and end up with people getting killed by the person using them.

Guns were conceived and designed to kill people* and that is something they and the people who fire them do very effectively.

*I often hear the spurious, factually incorrect claim that guns were originally conceived for hunting. This is false. Guns were conceived as a weapon of war for soldiers to kill other soldiers, probably by the Chinese dating back to the first "hand cannons" used during the 13th and 14th C Yuan dynasty.


Hunting with guns came much later.
 
All I know is this thread keeps getting longer but I haven't seen any actual new posts myself until today. I must be missing something :D

My point was that most gun owners don't use (let's go with every time you pick up a gun as "use") their guns nearly as often as they, and most other people, drive. Safety per hour of use is higher with cars, measure it any way you want and it is probably still true.

Don't ask me for evidence I really don't much care about this thread.
 
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mgidm86 said:
All I know is this thread keeps getting longer but I haven't seen any actual new posts myself until today. I must be missing something :D
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I'm having the same "problem" :thumbsup:

mgidm86 said:
My point was that most gun owners don't use (let's go with every time you pick up a gun as "use") their guns nearly as often as they, and most other people, drive. Safety per hour of use is higher with cars, measure it any way you want and it is probably still true.
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While that is probably true, in regards to the problem of spree shootings, it is the gun nuts who are constantly bringing up "whaddabout cars" and "whaddabout the road toll". Of course they always neglect to mention that you not only have to have registration and insurance (in 49 of the 50 states) to legally use a car, you have to have a licence to drive it - no such provisions exist for guns.

As far as I know we haven't seen any examples of spree killers using cars to drive onto school grounds and start running over students.

mgidm86 said:
Don't ask me for evidence I really don't much care about this thread.
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Nor I.

The topic of this thread has long since been hijacked by racists to further their racism agenda. I lost interest when they started posting their inane drivel here.

What we really need is a thread for spree shootings that happen in schools and workplaces; a thread in which things like gang shootings, and shootings related to criminal activities such as drug trafficking and burglary are off topic and specifically excluded.
 
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