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Cont: Today's Mass Shooting (part 3)

25% percent of registered gun owners identify as Democrat.

That's minority, but not some small fringe group you can just write off. 1 in 4 is a sizable part of a larger demographic.
 
"Multiple victims" in a shooting at the University of Nevada, Las Vegas Campus. Shooter reported dead. Few details yet.
 
Nessie said:
That subset of predominantly males includes gang members, preppers, militia, conspiracy theorists, neo-Nazis, other far right and many whose inclination is to fight for their right to bear arms, which I think is a huge subset that is in fact many sets.
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AGAIN! :mad: Nobody is trying to "take ther gunz" or cancel the 2A, which is what they scream about. Just regulate guns approximately the same way cars are regulated. So, apart from any of them using the weapons illegally, they should all have nothing to fear.

But they do! This whole nonsense they espouse is based on a fear that regulating their favourite bang-bangs may somehow make them less gangy, less preppery, less conspiratorial, less neo-Nazi, less far-right...less manly.
 
JoeMorgue said:
25% percent of registered gun owners identify as Democrat.

That's minority, but not some small fringe group you can just write off. 1 in 4 is a sizable part of a larger demographic.
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Do these Democrat gun owners object to gun control? My understanding is that for the most part they do not, they are in favour of it.
 
Nessie said:
Open, vocal opposition comes from that group. There will also be a lot of opposition amongst the gangs and other criminals, who tend not to voice their opinion on the subject.
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You are going to care about the opinions and constitutional rights of such people? Or make an effort to disarm them in an effort to help them make better choices and seek different career paths (sarcasm, btw).
 
Norman Alexander said:
Good points. But the same can be said of cars - a glut of cheap vehicles, history and culture of owning a car, normality of car ownership and usage even if they don't need them (e.g. public transport availability), and as a means to show status publicly. And yet these same people have no particular issues with road rules and vehicle registration...most of the time. In fact, they are in favour of these things, as a general concept, especially on safety grounds.
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And still cars kill many people every year. More than guns, in fact.

Norman Alexander said:
So why are guns thought of as somehow different? Something besides safety and personality display is at play. It seems somehow much more visceral and personal.
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Cars aren't designed for the purpose of killing - they have a function other than ending life. Guns were invented in 10th century China as weapons of war, and have spread throughout the world as being particularly good at killing. Sure, they can be used to kill non-human animals, but when you come down to it a car is for transport and a gun is for killing (except for those very few that are designed for target sports). That's the difference.
 
Norman Alexander said:
Do these Democrat gun owners object to gun control? My understanding is that for the most part they do not, they are in favour of it.
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Obviously I don't know.

As with most things in political fandoms I wager in broad strokes its going to come down to massively hard to define but also massively important difference between people who own guns as in "Yes that's a factual statement that is true" and Gun Owners as people who make it part of their identity.

In laymans terms that maddingly hard to pin down difference between a gun owner and, ya know a "Gun Owner."
 
Norman Alexander said:
You are going to care about the opinions and constitutional rights of such people? Or make an effort to disarm them in an effort to help them make better choices and seek different career paths (sarcasm, btw).
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I was adding criminals and gangs to white male right wingers, to show how the level of opposition and lack of cooperation for gun control, makes improved gun control in the USA nigh on impossible.

To get guns under control, rather than worry about type of gun and possibly banning them, the actual need is to get all guns out of the hands of unsuitable people.

The UK has two levels of gun control. Who can have a gun is regulated and what type of gun they can have. The former is more important for gun control than the latter, as other western countries, who have fewer type of gun restrictions than the UK, also have very few mass shootings.
 
Norman Alexander said:
Of course, if you set that threshold at, say, 20 dead minimum then there are actually vanishingly few mass murders in the USA. You could count them on the fingers of one foot.
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If you haven't accidentally shot them off... :eek:


eta: wasn't there a load of stories from China a few years back of people losing thumbs in industrial accidents and have one of their big toes, what you might call, 're-sited' to replace them?
 
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SteveAitch said:
If you haven't accidentally shot them off... :eek:


eta: wasn't there a load of stories from China a few years back of people losing thumbs in industrial accidents and have one of their big toes, what you might call, 're-sited' to replace them?
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Yeah, started an epidemic of athletes finger.
 
And shockingly the shooter was a conspiracy nut who believe in a lot of "Secret Global Puppetmasters" crap.
 
Mass-shooting in Russia.

3 dead, 8 total shot.

Suspect is dead, was in the 8th grade.

Used a pump-shotgun.
 
6 killed, 3 wounded in Austin Texas.

The killer had previously been bailed out by a Soros funded organization whose mission is to
end mass incarceration and the criminalization of poverty of Black and Latino people in four of the largest counties in Texas (Harris, Dallas, Bexar and Fort Bend) by creating a justice system that is fair and just.
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Hopefully they can bail him out again to help curb the problem of over incarceration, at least temporarily.
 
Nessie said:
I was adding criminals and gangs to white male right wingers, to show how the level of opposition and lack of cooperation for gun control, makes improved gun control in the USA nigh on impossible.
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If they are criminals and gangs then "gun control" should consist of taking every last one they can find off them when they are arrested. Indeed, a gun-grab. You've been a bad person; you lose every darn weapon we can find; in, near or around you. Their arrest would be the justification. Unless the supposition is that when they get arrested the police just leave their guns behind neatly stacked in their hideouts and lairs?

I understand there's millions of guns about and they can easily get more. But at least there's those ones out of circulation.

Also, any criminal or gang member who even has a gun when convicted should be up for a much more severe sentence. That's what happens here.

To get guns under control, rather than worry about type of gun and possibly banning them, the actual need is to get all guns out of the hands of unsuitable people.
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Indeed. And to do that you need to know who has which gun. Which implies registration.

The UK has two levels of gun control. Who can have a gun is regulated and what type of gun they can have. The former is more important for gun control than the latter, as other western countries, who have fewer type of gun restrictions than the UK, also have very few mass shootings.
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Yep.
 
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