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Cont: Today's Mass Shooting (2)

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A Fleshlight and an inflatable AR-15, with papier-mâché bullets!
 
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Foster Zygote said:
"Hispanic" as an ethnicity seems to be largely a U.S. construct, from what I can tell. What makes someone of Spanish ancestry "non white", as opposed to descendants of people from Italy or southern France?
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To phrase the "reasoning" in the way the US right thinks: "The fact that they mixed their teutonic blood with native untermenschen."
 
shemp said:
Probably that his neighbors say he was a nice, quiet guy.
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And of course there was no way to tell he was a potentially violent and disturbed person....

A heads-up for those also wondering - anyone who supports Nazism is not a potential threat, they are a threat.
 
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arthwollipot said:
Why? Why does a gang-related murder not count when a non-gang related murder does?
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Because gangs shoot at other gangs. The rest of the public has little cause to fear gang shootings. Mass shootings of random people, however, can happen to anyone. You can't avoid those the way you can avoid gang violence by not being in a gang.
 
TragicMonkey said:
Because gangs shoot at other gangs. The rest of the public has little cause to fear gang shootings. Mass shootings of random people, however, can happen to anyone. You can't avoid those the way you can avoid gang violence by not being in a gang.
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There is a certain callousness to it, but that's the truth. Even in the big bad cities you really have nothing to worry about unless you live in the designated blight neighborhoods and/or are a participant in the criminal world. Occasionally there are breaches of this, but by and large the people getting killed do not garner much sympathy from people in better circumstances.

Society probably ought to care that there are impoverished people doomed to life in dangerous, opportunity devoid slums, but they don't. Only when the violence spills out into their world does it merit attention.
 
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Steve said:
Reduces the number of murders counted in the statistics. Makes the USA look slightly less violent, in the view of the gun nuts.
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Perhaps removing organised crime killing would make more sense?
 
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TragicMonkey said:
Because gangs shoot at other gangs. The rest of the public has little cause to fear gang shootings. Mass shootings of random people, however, can happen to anyone. You can't avoid those the way you can avoid gang violence by not being in a gang.
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I think you're giving USAian gangs more credit than they deserve for selectivity and competence.
 
catsmate said:
I think you're giving USAian gangs more credit than they deserve for selectivity and competence.
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Why would a gang waste time and resources shooting a bunch of people who aren't rival gang members? They don't do that any more than the Mafia does: not all criminal organizations are terrorists. There is no advantage --and considerable disadvantage -- to random public violence, from the point of view of a gang.

Accidents happen but again, not something the general public needs to fear if they are not involved with or close to gangs. Which most of us are not. I can reduce my risk of being shot by a gang to nearly zero by a) not being in a gang, b) not getting involved in gang-related activities, c) not being physically proximate to gangs when they are fighting. I cannot, however, reduce the risk that some maniac with a gun is going to shoot up the waiting room at my dentist or the parking lot at my grocery store.
 
catsmate said:
I think you're giving USAian gangs more credit than they deserve for selectivity and competence.
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Yes, but I suppose one could gauge inclusion in the mass shooting club by how many non-gang members are victimized. I think the math could be ambiguous, but there is at least a sort of point to saying that a gang killing that doesn't go astray is different from other mass killings.
 
Hercules56 said:
AMERICAN gangs are responsible for about half of all murders in the United States of America.
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That doesn't seem to be true.

Based on annual surveys of local law enforcement agencies, the Center tallied 11,934 "gang-related" homicides in the U.S. from 2007 through 2012. The FBI reported 93,253 total murders during the span. Comparing the numbers, the Center estimated that "gang-related homicides typically accounted for around 13% of all homicides annually." That’s far below Van Cleave’s claim that most murders are gang-related.

https://www.politifact.com/factchec...st-murders-gangbangers-killing-gangbangers-v/

This is another one of those, "common knowledge" facts that doesnt hold up to scrutiny... like big cities are vastly more dangerous than rural parts of the country.

And from here:

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u....19/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-10.xls

Only a miniscule amount of murders categorized as gangland are youth gang killings by the FBI. Although about 40% are "unknown".
 
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Foster Zygote said:
"Hispanic" as an ethnicity seems to be largely a U.S. construct, from what I can tell. What makes someone of Spanish ancestry "non white", as opposed to descendants of people from Italy or southern France?
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Hispanic means someone whose ancestry is from a Spanish speaking country. White, black, or brown.

I know a guy who speaks totally fluent Spanish, and his family has been in New Mexico since before it was a US territory. And he's lily white and has red hair... and is a raging MAGA guy.
 
Let's run a thought experiment.

If on average slightly more than once a day a Muslim suicide bomber with a vest filled with explosives and ball bearings killed the exact same number of people with the exact same demographics at the exact same locations, i.e. just take every mass shooting and replaced it with a terrorist attack, the Republicans would already have glassed the Middle East.
 
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