Cont: Today's Mass Shooting (2)

Status
Not open for further replies.
Shalamar said:
Already mentioned in the thread, but my initial reaction was: *sigh* Another one?
Click to expand...

One thing I'm triply concerned about this year is Black Friday, thinking that some kook(s) will take the opportunity that crowded stores will be a "target-rich environment".
 
tyr_13 said:
The drag show was of course what people who are 'honestly, really, double sure not defending the shooter' say was 'grooming'. I don't know what reason they have for thinking drag is inherently about sexual activity, but it just isn't. 'What do you mean it's not sexual?
Click to expand...
My four great aunts were classic British working class, Tory voting Daily Express reading conservatives. We used to sit with them and watch Danny La Rue on television when we were kids. They loved Danny La Rue.

The skid marks who masquerade as conservatives these days would say they were grooming us.
 
Robin said:
My four great aunts were classic British working class, Tory voting Daily Express reading conservatives. We used to sit with them and watch Danny La Rue on television when we were kids. They loved Danny La Rue.

The skid marks who masquerade as conservatives these days would say they were grooming us.
Click to expand...

Right?

Some fools get thirsty watching Misses Doubtfire and they have to make it everyone's problem?
 
What I wonder about is why we are having so many more of these shootings then inthe past..but that seems to be forgotten because there are no cheap political points to be made.
Some fools are making a big deal that the last two have occured in cities primarily known for their Military bases...Colorado Springs and the Air Force Academy,and Norfolk is of course, Navytown USA with the largest US Naval base there.I can't see any connection.
 
dudalb said:
What I wonder about is why we are having so many more of these shootings then inthe past..but that seems to be forgotten because there are no cheap political points to be made.
Some fools are making a big deal that the last two have occured in cities primarily known for their Military bases...Colorado Springs and the Air Force Academy,and Norfolk is of course, Navytown USA with the largest US Naval base there.I can't see any connection.
Click to expand...

1. Ready availability of guns with almost no checks will always lead to more guns getting into the hands of people who are in no way fit to have them, and that leads to more gun violence and more spree-shootings.

2. The rise of the racist far right and the espousing of supporting extremist rhetoric by mainstream Repugnicans leads to the radicalization of more people who will then be motivated to commit that violence.

3. Mainstream Repugnicans demonize LGBTQ people and espouse hateful rhetoric, instilling fear of "the other" in their supporters. This motivates the crazies on the right to do things that they might no have done before

I have been warning about this for the last few years. The behavior of the Repugnican party is almost indistinguishable from that of a pre-fascist society. This has been repeated over and over in history - Chile under Pinochet, Argentina under Peron and later, Galtieri, Italy under Mussolini, and Nazi Germany under Hitler. They identify a boogeyman and make them into a threat and whip up their base into a frenzy... with political violence such as 1/6, the attempted kidnapping and murder of Gretchen Whitmer and spree shootings that target specific section of the community like Buffalo and Orlando, and synagogue attacks like Pittsburgh the inevitable result

In Chile and Argentina it was socialists (Salvador Allende's followers in Chile and Argentina) who were the boogeyman and they were frequently "disappeared"; in Italy it was communists; in Nazi German, communists, Jews, gays and the disabled Nazi Germany.

In the USA, its the LGBTQ community, Mexicans and to some extent, Jews and Blacks are the targets
 
smartcooky said:
1. Ready availability of guns with almost no checks will always lead to more guns getting into the hands of people who are in no way fit to have them, and that leads to more gun violence and more spree-shootings.

2. The rise of the racist far right and the espousing of supporting extremist rhetoric by mainstream Repugnicans leads to the radicalization of more people who will then be motivated to commit that violence.

3. Mainstream Repugnicans demonize LGBTQ people and espouse hateful rhetoric, instilling fear of "the other" in their supporters. This motivates the crazies on the right to do things that they might no have done before

I have been warning about this for the last few years. The behavior of the Repugnican party is almost indistinguishable from that of a pre-fascist society. This has been repeated over and over in history - Chile under Pinochet, Argentina under Peron and later, Galtieri, Italy under Mussolini, and Nazi Germany under Hitler. They identify a boogeyman and make them into a threat and whip up their base into a frenzy... with political violence such as 1/6, the attempted kidnapping and murder of Gretchen Whitmer and spree shootings that target specific section of the community like Buffalo and Orlando, and synagogue attacks like Pittsburgh the inevitable result

In Chile and Argentina it was socialists (Salvador Allende's followers in Chile and Argentina) who were the boogeyman and they were frequently "disappeared"; in Italy it was communists; in Nazi German, communists, Jews, gays and the disabled Nazi Germany.

In the USA, its the LGBTQ community, Mexicans and to some extent, Jews and Blacks are the targets
Click to expand...

If you are right, that is sgood argument for private gun ownership.....we need t protect ourselves from the right wing crazies by whatever needs necessary.
 
smartcooky said:
1. Ready availability of guns with almost no checks will always lead to more guns getting into the hands of people who are in no way fit to have them, and that leads to more gun violence and more spree-shootings.

2. The rise of the racist far right and the espousing of supporting extremist rhetoric by mainstream Repugnicans leads to the radicalization of more people who will then be motivated to commit that violence.

3. Mainstream Repugnicans demonize LGBTQ people and espouse hateful rhetoric, instilling fear of "the other" in their supporters. This motivates the crazies on the right to do things that they might no have done before

I have been warning about this for the last few years. The behavior of the Repugnican party is almost indistinguishable from that of a pre-fascist society. This has been repeated over and over in history - Chile under Pinochet, Argentina under Peron and later, Galtieri, Italy under Mussolini, and Nazi Germany under Hitler. They identify a boogeyman and make them into a threat and whip up their base into a frenzy... with political violence such as 1/6, the attempted kidnapping and murder of Gretchen Whitmer and spree shootings that target specific section of the community like Buffalo and Orlando, and synagogue attacks like Pittsburgh the inevitable result

In Chile and Argentina it was socialists (Salvador Allende's followers in Chile and Argentina) who were the boogeyman and they were frequently "disappeared"; in Italy it was communists; in Nazi German, communists, Jews, gays and the disabled Nazi Germany.

In the USA, its the LGBTQ community, Mexicans and to some extent, Jews and Blacks are the targets
Click to expand...

Not all these shooting are politically motiviated. The Norfolk shootings seem to me just someone going postal.
Anyway if you are right in the last half of your post, then that is a good argument for private good ownershipLSo the minorities can portect themselves from the crazies.
 
dudalb said:
Not all these shooting are politically motiviated. The Norfolk shootings seem to me just someone going postal.
Anyway if you are right in the last half of your post, then that is a good argument for private good ownershipLSo the minorities can portect themselves from the crazies.
Click to expand...

Yeah. More guns, that's the solution. 'Muricah!

Another solution would be to treat the disease, not the symptom. In this case the people needs to make it very clear that the rhetoric used by Republicans is not acceptable. So the battle is at the ballot box and in public discourse not at your front door with a gun in hand.
 
dudalb said:
Not all these shooting are politically motiviated. The Norfolk shootings seem to me just someone going postal.
Anyway if you are right in the last half of your post, then that is a good argument for private good ownershipLSo the minorities can portect themselves from the crazies.
Click to expand...

Of course, but the question you asked is why the increase in numbers now?

IMO, the answer is there are as many (and I hate to use the term) "normal" spree shootings that there used to be, but now, over and above those, we have the politically motivated spree shootings like Tops Grocery Store in Buffalo, Poway Synagogue, Emanuel Methodist Episcopal Church in Charleston, Tree of Life Synagogue in Pittsburgh, and now Club Q in Colorado Springs.

You can draw a direct, unwavering line between the anti-gay, anti trans, racist and anti-Semitic rhetoric of the far right (and their enablers like Ron DeSantis, Greg Abbot, Marjorie Taylor Greene, Lauren Boebert, Ron Johnson, Tommy Tuberville et al) and the radicalization of far right extremists their rhetoric results in.
 
I just saw that. It opens up all sorts of fascinating (from a mental health perspective) insights into possible motives.

Many internet pundits, and LGBT proponents are claiming that Aldrich's insistence on being referred to as 'they' is coming from his attorneys. As a former public defender I can say with near complete certainty that the request to be treated as binary is coming from the defendant and not the attorneys. The most likely reason is that he is trying to make a mockery of the system and thinks he is playing it. But it is at least plausible that he truly has a self identity crisis that is in complete conflict with the homophobic beliefs of his dad and parental figures. HIs dad's interview looked like it came straight from "American Beauty"...so was he acting on his own self-loathing beliefs in this massacre, or trying to appease the father figures in his life?
 
stanfr said:
I just saw that. It opens up all sorts of fascinating (from a mental health perspective) insights into possible motives.

Many internet pundits, and LGBT proponents are claiming that Aldrich's insistence on being referred to as 'they' is coming from his attorneys. As a former public defender I can say with near complete certainty that the request to be treated as binary is coming from the defendant and not the attorneys. The most likely reason is that he is trying to make a mockery of the system and thinks he is playing it. But it is at least plausible that he truly has a self identity crisis that is in complete conflict with the homophobic beliefs of his dad and parental figures. HIs dad's interview looked like it came straight from "American Beauty"...so was he acting on his own self-loathing beliefs in this massacre, or trying to appease the father figures in his life?
Click to expand...

From the Right Wing Terrorism thread in US politics...

tyr_13 said:
So...the shooter's father was interviewed and the good Mormon famous for...doing porn and meth...was elated to find out his son was the shooter and not gay.

Conservative values.

EDIT: This is how the shooter could actually be non-binary and still full of hate for the lgbtq community. His family hates anyone connected to it, to the point they would rather their grandson and son be a mass murdering terrorist than be gay, and the shooter might blame the community for it. He could have been brought up to believe the only way to be lgbtq is because that community did something to him.

Or it could be another right-wing troll to further attack the community that was just terrorized. Like the above mentioned assertions that other shooters have been trans gender when there was never any indication of that at all.

Ironically it might make the shooter the first non-binary person to be accepted by mainstream conservatives.
Click to expand...
 
I'm getting the impression that mass shootings are so common, and the people so blase in America, that unless there's 10 deaths it's not even worth discussing.

There have been a load of mass shootings since the 1st of Jan, but the thread hadn't had a post since November.

I won't say Chinese NY went off with a bang.
 
The Atheist said:
I'm getting the impression that mass shootings are so common, and the people so blase in America, that unless there's 10 deaths it's not even worth discussing.

There have been a load of mass shootings since the 1st of Jan, but the thread hadn't had a post since November.

I won't say Chinese NY went off with a bang.
Click to expand...

America: the land where there are more guns than people, and guns have more rights than people.
 
The Atheist said:
I'm getting the impression that mass shootings are so common, and the people so blase in America, that unless there's 10 deaths it's not even worth discussing.
Click to expand...

Well, from a cold and neutral point of view, it's actually not that big of a deal.
For a country which has roughly 100.000.000 more guns than cars.
About 40.000 death by firearms (homicide + suicide) vs ~45.000 death by car - per year.
Cars are still more deadly. If you want to kill someone, use a car. Better chance of success.

:boxedin:
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Back
Top Bottom