Cont: Today's Mass Shooting (2)

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carlosy said:
Well, from a cold and neutral point of view, it's actually not that big of a deal.
For a country which has roughly 100.000.000 more guns than cars.
About 40.000 death by firearms (homicide + suicide) vs ~45.000 death by car - per year.
Cars are still more deadly. If you want to kill someone, use a car. Better chance of success.

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For better results, use a Big Mac. Slower but more...ahem....widespread results.
 
Oh yes, cars are used to murder people every day! :thumbsup:

When I came home yesterday my roommates' kids ran out to tell me "Happy New Year". I didn't even know. Their Dad told me it was Lunar New Year, then I understood. I love these kids, they are 6 and 8. They're Vietnamese.

I wonder how they feel today. These people are excellent parents, totally devoted to the kids' education and well being. I really respect and like them a lot. So this made me particularly sad.

I don't know what to make of this shooting yet. Motive? I'll admit I assumed it would be racial which made me more sad for them. It still could be I think, not all Asians are the same you know? There is plenty of hatred. Asian hate crimes have gone way up since the China Vir....I mean Covid. :mad: Initially assuming this was racial is understandable.

If people want to kill themselves with Big Macs that is their decision. As a murder weapon they are pretty weak, as are cars really. They got all those cement blocks on sidewalks now so we can't run over pedestrians as easily. Hard to target anyone in particular, ya know? Plus who walks anymore? Just drive down the road and take what you can get with a car.

If you want to kill someone a gun is the best way to go. They're cheaper, don't require any knowledge or license to purchase, and you don't have to buy insurance.
 
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Baton Rouge nightclub shooting injures 12

Police in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, are searching for at least one suspect involved in a nightclub shooting that left a dozen people injured, according to L’Jean McKneely, Baton Rouge Police Department spokesperson.

Police are categorizing the shooting as a “targeted attack.”

“This was not just a random act of someone showing up and randomly shooting citizens of Baton Rouge,” said Lt. Bryan Ballard, commander of BRPD’s Homicide Division, during a press conference Sunday.

A law enforcement source tells CNN around 1:30 a.m. local time, witnesses at Dior Bar & Lounge said a fight broke out between two groups of customers, and multiple people pulled out guns and started shooting.

Of the 12 people shot, three sustained life-threatening injuries, Lt. Ballard said.

Chief Murphy J. Paul, Jr. praised the immediate response of three officers outside the club at the time of the shooting, saying their response prevented further injury to the other patrons inside.

An Eventbrite listing online indicates the club was hosting a “back to school party” for Southern University and A&M College and Louisiana State University students at the time of the shooting.
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marting said:
Just listened to the press conference.

Shooter identified. 72 y/o asian male: Huu Tran. He killed himself with a single shot after the police surrounded his van. A lot of time elapsed after that as there was fear the van might be booby trapped.

Weapon was a handgun with extended clip (illegal in Calif)

Sheriff's statement:
https://www.yahoo.com/now/huu-tran-suspected-gunman-monterey-012558540.html
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People really dont expect an elder Chinese man, of 72 years, to be a mass shooter. I don't...and I still don't. It's odd, isnt it? For any ethnicity.

And yet, the last mass shooting around these parts (in a Laguna Woods church, May 2022) was a 68-year-old Chinese man.
Is there a gun culture in older Chinese men I am missing?

2 shootings isnt exactly a trend line, but they are the 2 from the last 2 years here.
 
Tran is more likely to be a Vietnamese name than Chinese, although I can't find anything that seems to be reliable to confirm that in this case.
 
carlosy said:
Well, from a cold and neutral point of view, it's actually not that big of a deal.
For a country which has roughly 100.000.000 more guns than cars.
About 40.000 death by firearms (homicide + suicide) vs ~45.000 death by car - per year.
Cars are still more deadly. If you want to kill someone, use a car. Better chance of success.

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Or you could almost halve the total killed per year by controlling guns.

Just sayin'...
 
Sherkeu said:
People really dont expect an elder Chinese man, of 72 years, to be a mass shooter. I don't...and I still don't. It's odd, isnt it? For any ethnicity.
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Small sample anomaly I suppose.

My wife's doctor's spouse was killed at a synagogue shooting here in San Diego on the last day of Passover. The perp was a 19 y/o nursing student w/o any known hate group connections but posted crap on social media and tried to livestream it. He believed Jews were planning some sort of goy genocide.

Sick Sad World.

As an aside, A Jewish doctor friend of my dad made a custom, single shot 22 rifle for my 12th birthday. Apparently it was a tradition back in his old country. He was a refugee from Hitler's Europe. I shot a bird eating grapes in the garden with it and felt completely ill. Last time i ever shot at anything living.

So not just an American thing.
 
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marting said:
Small sample anomaly I suppose.

My wife's doctor's spouse was killed at a synagogue shooting here in San Diego on the last day of Passover. The perp was a 19 y/o nursing student w/o any known hate group connections but posted crap on social media and tried to livestream it. He believed Jews were planning some sort of goy genocide.

Sick Sad World.
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The Goy Agenda?
 
Puppycow said:
Tran is more likely to be a Vietnamese name than Chinese, although I can't find anything that seems to be reliable to confirm that in this case.
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Oh great, another reason for the maga dicks to go after Trans.
;)
 
Puppycow said:
Tran is more likely to be a Vietnamese name than Chinese, although I can't find anything that seems to be reliable to confirm that in this case.
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That sounds right. Tan or Tam would be Chinese but not really Tran. Though some Chinese who are Chen changed to Tran- so says the internet.
Who knows? It isnt obvious either way just looking at his photo.

The latest story of it is that the shooting was towards his estranged wife who was supposedly at the (ballroom) dance club for Lunar festival which was up and down that street.
But then.....he went to another club after the first shooting and was caught with the gun on entry by the persons at the door.
72 years old! I believe it, but still think it is so odd.
I guess we'll find out soon enough.

*The Korean/Japanese/Chinese places around my place were really crowded last night- we drove through a "Korea" part of Buena Park expecting to get take away food and felt like we were in another country! (Long lines, so had homemade pizza instead)
I imagine it was extra packed with a crowd up there in a mostly Chinese part of town. (eta: up = 15mi north of us)
 
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Norman Alexander said:
Or you could almost halve the total killed per year by controlling guns.

Just sayin'...
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But we all know it ain't gonna happen.
And that cat is out of the bag anyway.

The USA had so many horrible mass shootings with little kids, but it didn't change anything substantial. There is almost no room left for any incident which could lead to a change. All the possible bad **** already happened. But enough people still love their guns and gun rights.

The rest will be just noise.

:(
 
carlosy said:
Well, from a cold and neutral point of view, it's actually not that big of a deal.
For a country which has roughly 100.000.000 more guns than cars.
About 40.000 death by firearms (homicide + suicide) vs ~45.000 death by car - per year.
Cars are still more deadly. If you want to kill someone, use a car. Better chance of success.

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The difference being that cars are actually useful 99.999% of the time. Guns are instruments of death 100% of the time.
 
If the purpose of guns is to kill things, they are useful about 0.37% of the time (depending on the skill of the shooter).

In reality, guns are fashion accessories that give you bragging rights. That is what makes them actually useful!
 
carlosy said:
Well, from a cold and neutral point of view, it's actually not that big of a deal.
For a country which has roughly 100.000.000 more guns than cars.
About 40.000 death by firearms (homicide + suicide) vs ~45.000 death by car - per year.
Cars are still more deadly. If you want to kill someone, use a car. Better chance of success.

:boxedin:
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The fallacy there is assuming it’s the absolute number of firearms that counts. It isn’t: it’s the number of people carrying or driving.
 
jeremyp said:
The fallacy there is assuming it’s the absolute number of firearms that counts. It isn’t: it’s the number of people carrying or driving.
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Next time someone uses the "car analogy" make sure they know that it is an argument against gun ownership:

If cars are just as efficient as guns for killing then we may as well get rid of all the guns right now.
 
carlosy said:
But we all know it ain't gonna happen.
And that cat is out of the bag anyway.

The USA had so many horrible mass shootings with little kids, but it didn't change anything substantial. There is almost no room left for any incident which could lead to a change. All the possible bad **** already happened. But enough people still love their guns and gun rights.

The rest will be just noise.

:(
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I suspect that a mass shooting event where many rich people are killed, will result in the law being changed...

... Or maybe I'm just really cynical.
 
7 Dead, 1 Injured Following Separate Shootings in Half Moon Bay (California)

Seven people were shot and killed in two separate locations in Half Moon Bay Monday afternoon, according to the San Mateo County Sheriff's Office.The suspect, 67-year-old Half Moon Bay resident Zhao Chunli, was taken into custody at about 4:40 p.m. after he was found in his vehicle in the parking lot of the Half Moon Bay substation.

The victims are Chinese farmworkers, Half Moon Bay Councilmember Debbie Ruddock said.
A motive for the shooting is under investigation.
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Not even 24 hours since I asked if there was something about guns and older chinese men.

The three oldest mass shooters on record in the US are now 3 Chinese men, in California, all within the last 9 months. Aged 67, 68, and 72.
 
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Sherkeu said:
7 Dead, 1 Injured Following Separate Shootings in Half Moon Bay (California)



Not even 24 hours since I asked if there was something about guns and older chinese men.

The three oldest mass shooters on record in the US are now 3 Chinese men, in California, all within the last 9 months. Aged 67, 68, and 72.
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When California succumbs the malaise effecting states like Texas and Florida (as it looks like doing) the US is royally ******.

State laws do not work. There needs to be national leadership. There won’t be.
 
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