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If only I could bellow like a god, such that the whole rotten country should quake.

Squabbling and bickering over who's pulling the triggers? The bottom line is this, and for all sides of the argument: There are too many guns in too many undeserving hands.
 
I'm coming to think that the bulk of today's fetishists of the 2nd Amendment are very like a cargo cult. They have no idea of the intention as warranted in its day, and are clueless about its inapplicability a couple centuries later. The rest of them are aware enough, but exploit the vague wording and the long establishment to successfully perpetuate their fetish.
 
Lurch said:
I'm coming to think that the bulk of today's fetishists of the 2nd Amendment are very like a cargo cult. They have no idea of the intention as warranted in its day, and are clueless about its inapplicability a couple centuries later. The rest of them are aware enough, but exploit the vague wording and the long establishment to successfully perpetuate their fetish.
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Depends on who you mean. I think a lot of armed Americans rightly understand how effective mass arming is for exerting the power of a pseudo-state through targeted acts of terrorism.

The amount of weapons in this country is probably not great, but unilateral disarming by people who aren't insane right wingers or violent criminals is probably not the way to improve things.
 
EaglePuncher said:
How to contradict youself in a few sentences. :D:thumbsup:
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So your claim is that reality is racist? Simple question, how can we come up with solutions to a problem when even defining the problem is, by your ideology, racist?

Here's a hint to help your cognitive dissonance. The fact that black men commit the majority of murders in this country per capita has nothing to do with the fact that they're black.
 
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Translation: "I never had a point just lots of hate"
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False. My point is, counter to common misconception, when it comes to mass shootings in the US, it's not white men who are the majority pulling the triggers. It's not even close. No hate, just facts.
 
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I never claimed there was, that's an incorrect assumption you have arrived at.

Since you are from Europe you may not be familiar with the current narrative in the US. It goes something like this: OMG!1!!111!1!! duh the white supremeististz are an existential threat to our democracy!!111!11!!! and duh blackses can't leave their house without being mowed down by racistz1!!111!1!

The executive branch, congressional Democrats and most of the major media have a lot of people fooled into believing that white men, like the Buffalo shooter, are regularly pulling off mass shootings and murdering minorities. In fact, what happened in Buffalo is extremely rare when it comes to mass shootings. Right now the ratio for this year is 209:1. In the seven days following the Buffalo shooting there have been 13 mass shootings with 12 killed and 59 wounded. Mostly black on black. With a major US holiday coming up this week expect many more mass shootings and deaths that will be ignored because Republicans and white supremacists won't be pulling the trigger. As I said earlier it's extremely rare when a shooting like the one in Buffalo happens, it's been the opposite so far this year.

How quickly we forgot about the black nationalist who shot 10 people in a New York subway.

Being from Europe, did you hear about the Jewish Democrat mayoral candidate in Louisville, Kentucky who had a gunman walk into his campaign office and attempt to assassinate him? No? That's because he was a black BLM activist who had made an appearance on MSNBC and also espoused communist and socialist beliefs and liked to rag on "gun loving Republicans."

That act of political terrorism didn't even get a thread much less a post on this board, that I'm aware of.

If I wouldn't have mentioned it in this thread earlier, you probably wouldn't know about the Chinese man who walked into a predominantly Taiwanese church and opened fire, an act of political terrorism.

How about the Asian man who fired over 200 rounds from his fifth story Washington DC condo, injuring four including a 12-year-old child. How much have you heard about that one?

There is a narrative being punished and it is a lie.
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Your lies about what non-Conservatives say about mass shootings aside, none of your examples were terrorist attacks in line with even a meaningful minority of a party's political beliefs. BLM doesn't make up lies about how Jews are bringing in Mexicans to rig the votes; mainstream Republicans do. That's why the Tree of Life shooting matters more (and of course that shooter killed more than none). None of these are supported by the political left. Who exactly was stoking the hatred that lead the Chinese man to attack? It wasn't a US political party.

Meanwhile the difference between the Buffalo terrorist and your politics is what kind of violence and who gets to administer it to solve the 'replacement problem'. You believe it should be normal level state violence while the shooter thought he should deal with it in a direct manner.

As long as you conservatives support the evil nonsense that brown people are taking the place and votes of 'real Americans', white nationalists are going to find you an ally. The GOP is their ally right now. As long as that is true, it will be a larger problem than gang violence or BLM protests. After all, they might storm the Capitol again.
 
cmikes said:
So your claim is that reality is racist? Simple question, how can we come up with solutions to a problem when even defining the problem is, by your ideology, racist?

Here's a hint to help your cognitive dissonance. The fact that black men commit the majority of murders in this country per capita has nothing to do with the fact that they're black.
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Why bring up skin colour then :confused::confused::confused:
 
tyr_13 said:
As long as you conservatives support the evil nonsense that brown people are taking the place and votes of 'real Americans', white nationalists are going to find you an ally. The GOP is their ally right now. As long as that is true, it will be a larger problem than gang violence or BLM protests. After all, they might storm the Capitol again.
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This!

It wasn't a Black man who made a series of pipe bombs and sent them to prominent Democrats, Trump critics and CNN!

It wasn't a Black man who sent and planted bombs, killing and maiming random people like scientists, academics, airline executives and engineers all over the US.

It wasn't Black men that shot up Columbine, Sandy Hook, Virginia Tech, Parklands, Tree-of-Life Synagogue, Poway Synagogue, Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church, and most recently, Tops in Buffalo!

It wasn't a black man who shot and killed six people at a Democrat political rally!

It wasn't a Black man who was caught stockpiling weapons and compiling a hit list of government and media figures whom he was going kill on a rampage.

It wasn't Black men who plotted the kidnap and murder of a state Governor!

It wasn't a Black man who put a bomb in a U-Hire truck and blew up a Federal building, killing hundreds, including babies and children!

It wasn't Black people who stormed the Capitol and threatened to execute members of Congress!

This is why the FBI, the Justice Dept and Homeland Security have all been warning for years, under Presidents from BOTH parties, that White Supremacist terrorism is THE GREATEST CURRENT THREAT to US national security. This has been true since White Supremacist Tim McVeigh blew up the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in downtown Oklahoma City on April 19, 1995, and it is 100% true today!!


ETA: and no, I haven't forgotten about 9/11
 
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NPR article:

It's 19 weeks into the year and America has already seen 198 mass shootings
https://www.npr.org/2022/05/15/1099008586/mass-shootings-us-2022-tally-number

We ended 2021 with 693 mass shootings, per the Gun Violence Archive. The year before saw 611. And 2019 had 417.
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The tally comes from the Gun Violence Archive, an independent data collection organization. The group defines a mass shooting as an incident in which four or more people are shot or killed, excluding the shooter.
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I think it is pretty clear that white right-wing terrorists are not anywhere near the top demographic represented in mass shootings...although you'd never gather that from the NPR article, of course (as expected). We can thank Bogative for keeping that front and center, whether you like his politics or not. The point isn't to demonize any particular race; the point is to focus on the facts so that the issues which will prevent the most shootings can be addressed.

The fact of the matter is, if you eliminated all right-wing extremist mass shootings it would hardly make a ding in the statistics.
 
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Warp12 said:
NPR article:

It's 19 weeks into the year and America has already seen 198 mass shootings
https://www.npr.org/2022/05/15/1099008586/mass-shootings-us-2022-tally-number






I think it is pretty clear that white right-wing terrorists are not anywhere near the top demographic represented in mass shootings...although you'd never gather that from the NPR article, of course (as expected). We can thank Bogative for keeping that front and center, whether you like his politics or not. The point isn't to demonize any particular race; the point is to focus on the facts so that the issues which will prevent the most shootings can be addressed.
The fact of the matter is, if you eliminated all right-wing extremist mass shootings it would hardly make a ding in the statistics.
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Easy solution, paint all the blacks white. :thumbsup:
 
EaglePuncher said:
Why bring up skin colour then :confused::confused::confused:
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Exactly. Now you're asking the right question. Why is it so important to some people that the vast majority of mass shootings be ignored to laser focus on the few committed by what they consider a disfavored racial group?

You'll notice, as Bogative pointed out above, that even a mass shooting committed by an Asian man just didn't count as a mass shooting for some reason. For some reason, it only counts if it's perpetuated by a white male, any other shootings may as well not have even happened.

If it can't be used as a springboard to hate on the very concept and existence of America, it's of no value to them.
 
cmikes said:
Exactly. Now you're asking the right question. Why is it so important to some people that the vast majority of mass shootings be ignored to laser focus on the few committed by what they consider a disfavored racial group?

You'll notice, as Bogative pointed out above, that even a mass shooting committed by an Asian man just didn't count as a mass shooting for some reason. For some reason, it only counts if it's perpetuated by a white male, any other shootings may as well not have even happened.

If it can't be used as a springboard to hate on the very concept and existence of America, it's of no value to them.
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Quotes a question, nothing he posts is related to the question.
 
At least 2 people are dead and 14 injured after a shooting at an elementary school in Uvalde, Texas, a small town some 80 miles west of San Antonio. Most of the known victims so far are children, according to the hospitals that have been receiving the patients. Police say the shooter is in custody.

ABC says day after tomorrow would've been the last day of the school year at this school.
 
Checkmite said:
At least 2 people are dead and 14 injured after a shooting at an elementary school in Uvalde, Texas, a small town some 80 miles west of San Antonio. Most of the known victims so far are children, according to the hospitals that have been receiving the patients. Police say the shooter is in custody.

ABC says day after tomorrow would've been the last day of the school year at this school.
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The article contains a link to another article talking about statistics from the FBI regarding an increase of active shooters. No mention of skin colour. Does the FBI not care about the skin colour of shooters or are they involved in a liberal conspiracy? :confused: :rolleyes:

I mean according to some people we should look at "those black people" more closely regarding shootings. Why does the FBI not do that? :rolleyes:
 
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I can't stand it I can't stand it I can't stand it I can't stand it I can't stand it I can't stand it

especially when there are kids involved. I just want to shut down for days.
 
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