Cont: Today's Mass Shooting (2)

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I can see that the right wing media have lost no time politicising this against trans people by digging up some obscure group called the Trans Rights Network who said something stupid about the shooting. TRN appears to consist of a wordpress page with not much on it but of course everyone is attributing their view to trans people every where.
 
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Right-wing media stars who only minutes ago insisted that it would be wrong to politicize the shooting (expecting a debate about guns) immediately switched to 100% politicizing against Trans rights.
 
Pastors and conservative leaders weighed in on reaction by journalists and entertainers who have mocked prayer and brought attention to Tennessee's drag show ban amid the Christian elementary school massacre that took six lives Monday.
As the nation grapples with the murders of three adults and three children at the Covenant School in Nashville, Tennessee, faith leaders responded to the criticism by journalists, commentators, entertainers and activists who have mocked prayer and blamed conservatives for outlawing drag shows for kids and not guns.
Family Research Council President Tony Perkins reiterated that people should still turn to prayer as a way to combat the "spiritual battle" that "is raging for our country and our culture" which "is targeting our children."
"We must return to the only lasting source of hope and freedom – the Lord Jesus Christ," he added. "The Church must stand uncompromisingly upon the truth of God’s word, which is the source of hope and freedom. Nothing Washington is doing will matter until we acknowledge and address the moral decay and brokenness plaguing our culture."
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https://www.foxnews.com/media/media...hristianity-marks-coverage-nashville-massacre
 
Robin said:
I can see that the right wing media have lost no time politicising this against trans people by digging up some obscure group called the Trans Rights Network who said something stupid about the shooting. TRN appears to consist of a wordpress page with not much on it but of course everyone is attributing their view to trans people every where.
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Yes, let's remember what the real crime here is, not the killing of six people, but the reaction from right-wingers.

ETA: More evidence that is becoming the story. Fear pervades Tennessee's trans community amid focus on Nashville shooter's gender identity.“We were already fearing for our lives. Now, it’s even worse,” one transgender advocate in the state said.

Gee, I wonder if fear pervades Tennessee's fourth grade community, but of course we don't hear about that this time.
 
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bluesjnr said:
Are you advocating that we make up a position that nobody is espousing and argue against it?
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In the absence of someone making any actual specific arguments on one side of a debate, believe it or not it is indeed perfectly okay to anticipate or speculate on potential arguments and try to come up with rebuttals for them; in common parlance this is called "devil's advocate", and there's no reason why the person hypothesizing the arguments and the person hypothesizing the rebuttals can't be the same person. If there's no actual arguer present whose position is genuinely being "straw manned", I don't see how anyone would consider this a bad thing that shouldn't be done.
 
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Cat Not Included said:
Since the nutjobs decide every school shooting is a false flag, I'm sure they'll be quick to decide that this must be one as well; that clearly the shooter wasn't really trans, but was just a far-right ultra-religious nut who decided to set their pronouns to him/her before going on a shooting spree to give the far-right another excuse to attack trans people.

Or...what are the odds that for some reason they won't decide THIS one is a false flag? I guess its not actually a "conspiracy" theory since it would have required only one person.
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What I'm trying to avoid
 
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bluesjnr said:
C'mon Steve, humans have been happily killing kids for centuries.
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History and frequency have no relevance. If you wish to identify the creatures who "happily" murder children to be the same as you, feel free. To me they retain some human traits but are less than human.
 
Steve said:
Humans have certain definable traits. Killing children is not one of them. This thing was somewhat lass than human.
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Which obviously leads to the idea that they do not deserve human rights.

Sorry, but opening that door makes me profoundly uncomfortable. Once you start treating people as "nonhuman", that opens doors to all sorts of atrocities, as history has demonstrated.
 
arthwollipot said:
Which obviously leads to the idea that they do not deserve human rights.

Sorry, but opening that door makes me profoundly uncomfortable. Once you start treating people as "nonhuman", that opens doors to all sorts of atrocities, as history has demonstrated.
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They deserve to be removed from human society. That is a place that they do not belong. Imprisonment for life or execution are ways that real humans have determined these creatures will be dealt with. If that removed their human rights so be it.
 
Steve said:
They deserve to be removed from human society. That is a place that they do not belong. Imprisonment for life or execution are ways that real humans have determined these creatures will be dealt with. If that removed their human rights so be it.
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Imprisonment and execution are, regardless of your opinion of the death penalty, imposed as a result of due legal process - a human right under Articles 7, 8, 9, 10 and 11 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, to which the United States is a signatory. If you deny them these Articles, you also deny them Article 5, which prevents torture and degrading or inhuman treatment, Article 2, which guarantees freedom from discrimination, and Article 4, which prevents slavery.

So great! Now that you've declared a person nonhuman, you have your perfect little sentient toy that you can keep, chain, torture and kill at your whim without any regard for those pesky annoyances like conscience.

If you are okay with this then I'd say that you are the one being inhuman. There's a reason the Universal Declaration forms a cornerstone of human rights law all over the world.

Article 1 said:
All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights. They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood.
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ALL human beings. All. No exceptions.
 
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