Titanic tourist sub missing

Foster Zygote said:
That's what gets me. Perfectly orthodox engineers break stuff all the time - specifically to see at what loads it will break. My wife was involved in destructive testing of gas turbine blades for several years, so they could greatly reduce the chances of one breaking while a unit was running in a power plant.

Rush's hostility to sound practices seems to have been motivated more by the fact that they would have proved that his **** would break.
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Yep, most of the equipment in the engineering lab I work in was designed to just rip, crush, incinerate, electrically fry, shake apart and basically dissolve, or combinations thereof, stuff just to see if it lasted longer than the last stuff.
 
JoeMorgue said:
Again if this was a lone crazed inventor who died alone testing his new "outside the box" submarine design it would still be stupid but it would be a radically different thing.

There's (some) validity in saying that people who break barriers and do things outside the norm are good for society. But only if they aren't putting other people's ass on the line with him.

Franz Reichelt didn't take 4 other rich French idiots and 1 innocent kid with him as passengers when he jumped of the Eiffel Tower in a wingsuit.
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He would have if he'd been a true visionary.
 
Dr.Sid said:
But maybe he would, if he succeeded several times.
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Only if simply ignoring life span and the detrimental effects of severely cyclic applications. One time will be the last of the life span of the apparatus. Find that first, before risking the lifespans of others.

Even the best engineering can kill, due to the complexities of environment and applications. Innovative engineering gets worse, Tacoma Narrows Bridge comes to mind, wind galloping (an aspect I’m familiar with in testing vibration dampers for transmission power lines in my engineering lab days), just a dog died or the Big Dig ceiling collapse (one person died) due to use of epoxy with poor creep characteristics in a high vibration (traffic) environment. I do seem to recall something about that the CO2 of the tunnel environment helped to weaken the type of concrete substrate for the already low creep epoxy. Though can’t specifically recall and might have just been a preliminary speculation. Final report puts it to lack of application testing and at least some misrepresentation of the epoxy manufacture that left out that testing showed susceptibility to creep under sustained loading, continual vibration just makes that worse.

Heck, one of the engineers, when I ran the lab, designed a zinc part (for the cost of it) that was under sustained loading at over 100 degrees C rise above ambient. Had to show him and the engineering manager the general material reference in our own library that said you just can’t do that, when they tried to blame the lab testing procedures for those product testing failures.

Sorry, I’m biased; having run an engineering lab where testing for reliably was everything. So my disgust continues to extend from that.
 
The Man said:
Only if simply ignoring life span and the detrimental effects of severely cyclic applications. One time will be the last of the life span of the apparatus. Find that first, before risking the lifespans of others.

Even the best engineering can kill, due to the complexities of environment and applications. Innovative engineering gets worse, Tacoma Narrows Bridge comes to mind, wind galloping (an aspect I’m familiar with in testing vibration dampers for transmission power lines in my engineering lab days), just a dog died or the Big Dig ceiling collapse (one person died) due to use of epoxy with poor creep characteristics in a high vibration (traffic) environment. I do seem to recall something about that the CO2 of the tunnel environment helped to weaken the type of concrete substrate for the already low creep epoxy. Though can’t specifically recall and might have just been a preliminary speculation. Final report puts it to lack of application testing and at least some misrepresentation of the epoxy manufacture that left out that testing showed susceptibility to creep under sustained loading, continual vibration just makes that worse.

Heck, one of the engineers, when I ran the lab, designed a zinc part (for the cost of it) that was under sustained loading at over 100 degrees C rise above ambient. Had to show him and the engineering manager the general material reference in our own library that said you just can’t do that, when they tried to blame the lab testing procedures for those product testing failures.

Sorry, I’m biased; having run an engineering lab where testing for reliably was everything. So my disgust continues to extend from that.
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Exactly. There are well established approaches to novel engineering in order to minimise risks. These have been developed over the last three centuries (especially the last 50 year) often in response to and analysis of previous failures.

He was just as dangerous as a quack trying to practise surgery whilst deliberately gnoring qualified medical expertise.
 
jimbob said:
Exactly. There are well established approaches to novel engineering in order to minimise risks. These have been developed over the last three centuries (especially the last 50 year) often in response to and analysis of previous failures.

He was just as dangerous as a quack trying to practise surgery whilst deliberately gnoring qualified medical expertise.
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Exactly, and I think they found, or should have known, it was already at the end of its life cycle when they had to patch the ******* thing up before. ‘Oh let’s just go again’, negligence to the depths of Davy Jones's locker. With the controller, now he just needs a play station to satiate his aquatic thirst for death, for a bit. Heck, give another controller and he and the Flying Dutchman can play two player games.



Sorry, comedy is the way I deal with stuff, comedy and alcohol. The two ways I deal with stuff are comedy, alcohol and the knowledge I wasn’t involved. The three ways I deal with stuff are comedy, alcohol, the knowledge I wasn’t involved and the understanding that it could be done better if one tried. Amongst the ways I deal with stuff are comedy, alcohol, the knowledge I wasn’t involved, the understanding that it could be done better if one tried and….
 
The Man said:
Exactly, and I think they found, or should have known, it was already at the end of its life cycle when they had to patch the ******* thing up before. ‘Oh let’s just go again’, negligence to the depths of Davy Jones's locker. With the controller, now he just needs a play station to satiate his aquatic thirst for death, for a bit. Heck, give another controller and he and the Flying Dutchman can play two player games.







Sorry, comedy is the way I deal with stuff, comedy and alcohol. The two ways I deal with stuff are comedy, alcohol and the knowledge I wasn’t involved. The three ways I deal with stuff are comedy, alcohol, the knowledge I wasn’t involved and the understanding that it could be done better if one tried. Amongst the ways I deal with stuff are comedy, alcohol, the knowledge I wasn’t involved, the understanding that it could be done better if one tried and….
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Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!
 
The Man said:
Exactly, and I think they found, or should have known, it was already at the end of its life cycle when they had to patch the ******* thing up before. ‘Oh let’s just go again’, negligence to the depths of Davy Jones's locker. With the controller, now he just needs a play station to satiate his aquatic thirst for death, for a bit. Heck, give another controller and he and the Flying Dutchman can play two player games.



Sorry, comedy is the way I deal with stuff, comedy and alcohol. The two ways I deal with stuff are comedy, alcohol and the knowledge I wasn’t involved. The three ways I deal with stuff are comedy, alcohol, the knowledge I wasn’t involved and the understanding that it could be done better if one tried. Amongst the ways I deal with stuff are comedy, alcohol, the knowledge I wasn’t involved, the understanding that it could be done better if one tried and….
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Just come in again.
 
Rereading the New Yorker piece, I was again astonished by the narcissism on display in Rush's words and actions, and this particular passage was one of several that landed with an F-105-like thud:

Rush replied four days later, saying that he had “grown tired of industry players who try to use a safety argument to stop innovation and new entrants from entering their small existing market.” He understood that his approach “flies in the face of the submersible orthodoxy, but that is the nature of innovation,” he wrote. “We have heard the baseless cries of ‘you are going to kill someone’ way too often. I take this as a serious personal insult.”
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He really did get off far too easy by dying aboard his toy submersible. The above is the sort of statement that he deserved to see presented against him in court as evidence of his complete lack of concern for the safety of his passengers. He wouldn't even have been able to use his standard rich ******* tactic of out-spending his opponents before it even gets to court. That's the problem with selling tickets for a quarter million a pop - your client's families can afford unlimited lawyers too. At least his company will be ripped apart, and maybe some of his cronies will face consequences for their participation in this farce.
 
NZ TV1 is about to broadcast on SUNDAY program a story involving a New Zealander closely associated.
Hopefully there will be a link someone can post, I will try but not sure if it can be done easily. Smartcooky might know how.
 
Samson said:
NZ TV1 is about to broadcast on SUNDAY program a story involving a New Zealander closely associated.
Hopefully there will be a link someone can post, I will try but not sure if it can be done easily. Smartcooky might know how.
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https://www.tvnz.co.nz/shows/sunday

If you can see the site, scroll down to "Deep Trouble" (you may need a VPN).

I will come up on the TVNZ You Tube channel sometime, so I will post a link when I see it.
 
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I just watched the 60 Minutes Australia piece on YouTube, and it's pretty clear that Guillermo Söhnlein is completely full of ****. I just can't tell if he's deluded or covering his ass because he's still a stockholder.
 
Foster Zygote said:
I just watched the 60 Minutes Australia piece on YouTube, and it's pretty clear that Guillermo Söhnlein is completely full of ****. I just can't tell if he's deluded or covering his ass because he's still a stockholder.
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Yeah.

That 60 Minutes piece is the same piece I posted as the TVNZ I]Sunday[/I] program.

Guillermo Söhnlein is absolutely full of ****
 
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