Time to kick Iran

[Oliver]

Yeah, let's ignore this just as we ignored threats in the 1940's.




I'm happy to critisize Saudia Arabia. I don't think we were talking about Saudia Arabaia.

We were discussing the lies of Iran which you, the apologist, states doesn't happen.

Yes, the other superpowers ignored the Holocaust since it
wasn't their business - even if they already knew about it,
that's correct, Randfan.

Concerning Iran's intention to build Nukes: There is no evidence
for that.

However: You may be entitled to be skeptical once Iran doesn't
agree to allow inspectors anymore. Until then, just don't believe
the WOO.

 

[Pardalis]

Since you're too lazy to compare both sides - to see
who's lying and who not, which doesn't surprise me...

I am perfectly aware that President Bush is beating the war drum against Iran.

Ahmadinejad NEVER SAID THAT! Why do you, Goury,
buy this "Silverstein pulled it" BS?

That's not what we were talking about is it?

 

[Oliver]

I am perfectly aware that President Bush is beating the war drum against Iran.

That's not what we were talking about is it?

No, he isn't just war drumming - he's straightway lying. And
there are enough Idiots who believe this **** once again.

And we're talking about "kicking Iran" - and the evidence
that we have to kick them - even if the evidence is missing...

 

[RandFan]

Yes, the other superpowers ignored the Holocaust since it wasn't their business and they already knew about it, that's
correct, Randfan.

I think genocide was their business but THAT'S NOT what I'm talking about. Winston Churchill warned the world that Hitler was a megalomaniac and bent on world domination.

Concerning Iran's intention to build Nukes: There is no evidence for that.

It's called induction. Look into it.

However: You may be entitled to be skeptical once Iran doesn't
agree to allow inspectors anymore. Until then, don't believe the WOO.

If Iran wasn't calling for the destruction of Israel and wasn't a based on a theocracy that believes in an apocalypse then I wouldn't be so damn skeptical of them.

You really, really need to look in the mirror. And listen to Pat Condell some more.

 

[RandFan]

No, he isn't just war drumming - he's straightway lying. And there are enough Idiots who believe this **** once again.

There is realy concern in the UN and other nations about Iran. There is really good reason to be concerned.

I don't know what the answer is.

And we're talking about "kicking Iran" - and the evidence that we have to kick them - even if the evidence is missing...

We might not be able to stop Iran. There is good reason to suppose that if we don't there will be very serious consequences. Iran has demonstrated a willingness to supply bombs to kill civilians. I don't know if they would give WMD to insurgents or terrorists but I hope they never get the opportunity.

 

[Oliver]

I think genocide was their business but THAT'S NOT what I'm talking about. Winston Churchill warned the world that Hitler was a megalomaniac and bent on world domination.

It's called induction. Look into it.

If Iran wasn't calling for the destruction of Israel and wasn't a based on a theocracy that believes in an apocalypse then I wouldn't be so damn skeptical of them.

You really, really need to look in the mirror. And listen to Pat Condell some more.

There is realy concern in the UN and other nations about Iran. There is really good reason to be concerned.

I don't know what the answer is.

We might not be able to stop Iran. There is good reason to suppose that if we don't there will be very serious consequences. Iran has demonstrated a willingness to supply bombs to kill civilians. I don't know if they would give WMD to insurgents or terrorists but I hope they never get the opportunity.

Let me go through all of this to get to an agreement.

A. Is Iran a threat to America?
B. Is there any evidence that Iran ever did or will start a nuke weapon-program?
C. Are the Inspectors (Experts) worthless since they have access to everything they want?

 

[Pardalis]

And we're talking about "kicking Iran" - and the evidence that we have to kick them - even if the evidence is missing...

That's the expression you used for your OP. But the OP was originally about a BBC documentary commenting on the daily lives or people in Tehran.

This thread has been about many number of things since then, including assessing Iran as a possible threat.

 

[RandFan]

A. Is Iran a threat to America?
B. Is there any evidence that Iran ever did or will start a nuke weapon-program?
C. Are the Inspectors (Experts) worthless since they have access to everything they want?

• Iran is a very serious threat to the region and our ally.
• There is very good reason to suspect that Iran will start a nuclear program.
• Inspectors are a good measure but they are not absolute. Saddam was, for a time, able to thwart the inspection process. To the extent the inspectors were successful it was due to intense outside pressure.

 

[Oliver]

• Iran is a very serious threat to the region and our ally.
• There is very good reason to suspect that Iran will start a nuclear program.
• Inspectors are a good measure but they are not absolute. Saddam was, for a time, able to thwart the inspection process. To the extent the inspectors were successful it was due to intense outside pressure.

1. You wouldn't even think about Iran's nuclear reactor without
all the whinery about an imaginary futuristic threat, right?

2. And what reason is that? ... That they were so aggressive
in the past?

3. The honest inspectors knew that there were no WMD's in the
Buildings the Pentagon showed - where the Pentagon suspected
the WMD's.

How did the Inspectors know that??? Because they inspected
the Buildings already in the recent past...

You cannot believe the White House or Pentagon. But maybe
we can at least start with agreeing on this fact.

 

[Oliver]

That's the expression you used for your OP. But the OP was originally about a BBC documentary commenting on the daily lives or people in Tehran.

This thread has been about many number of things since then, including assessing Iran as a possible threat.

Well - you started by posting the "F Zionists" picture - so you
did make a point. And you still fail to show me Iran's threat
above an Anti-Zionist picture.

You you know that Ahmadinejad isn't the one in charge concerning the nuclear facility - right?
And you know that Ahmadinejad isn't the Head of Iran - right?

 

[WildCat]

Since when don't you rely on facts anymore? No matter how
much people base their opinion on hearsay and wishful thinking?

If you have facts that he's a threat ... feel free to provide them...

Nonsense Oliver. You claimed only Bush and the CIA thought Iran was interested in a bomb. If that's the case, you should be able to come up with a list of world leaders who think Iran has no interest in a nuclear bomb. Can you provide such a list, yes or no?

 

[Elizabeth I]

The two aren't mutually exclusive. You can be against an attack at the moment while also considering Iran a potential threat.

Sorry, I'm afraid that's a sublety that's beyond Oliver.

 

[Oliver]

Nonsense Oliver. You claimed only Bush and the CIA thought Iran was interested in a bomb. If that's the case, you should be able to come up with a list of world leaders who think Iran has no interest in a nuclear bomb. Can you provide such a list, yes or no?

No - you didn't get the point. The point is that no
matter how many people claim something - doesn't
automatically make it true.

So if millions Christians claim that God will come again
doesn't make it true.

But you know that - being a Skeptic, right?

 

[Oliver]

Sorry, I'm afraid that's a sublety that's beyond Oliver.

I understand that and I would be more concerned if
Ahmadinejad would be the head of Iran and the nuclear
facility.

Funny enough: He isn't. So he doesn't really matter
to make a case based on him. But you surely understand
such simple political things, don't you?

 

[Undesired Walrus]

This is becoming quite comical. Oliver, you pointed out that he says 'They Shout'. That is true.

As we can see, from the southernmost point in South America to the eastern most point in Asia, all the peoples are shouting a single cry. With placards in their hands and clenched fists, they shout:

DEATH TO ISRAEL!

DEATH TO ISRAEL!

DEATH TO ISRAEL!"

But then what happens, he then allows 'them', as in, his audience, to shout 'DEATH TO ISRAEL'!

It would be like George Bush giving a speech in his inaugural saying

'In the Bible belt, With placards in their hands, they shout

KILL THE HOMOSEXUALS!'

Only to have the entire crowd shout 'KILL THE HOMOSEXUALS!'.

I have no doubt if that happened you would be on here in a shot talking about stupid Americans and a terrible president who allowed this to happen. If some lunatic then replied saying 'But Bush didn't actually say 'I shout 'KILL THE HOMOSEXUALS'' you would quite rightly think them very silly indeed.

Sorry Oliver... you are just.. a raving nutcase!

 

[Oliver]

This is becoming quite comical. Oliver, you pointed out that he says 'They Shout'. That is true.

But then what happens, he then allows 'them', as in, his audience, to shout 'DEATH TO ISRAEL'!

It would be like George Bush giving a speech in his inaugural saying

'In the Bible belt, With placards in their hands, they shout

KILL THE HOMOSEXUALS!'

Only to have the entire crowd shout 'KILL THE HOMOSEXUALS!'.

I have no doubt if that happened you would be on here in a shot talking about stupid Americans and a terrible president who allowed this to happen. If some lunatic then replied saying 'But Bush didn't actually say 'I shout 'KILL THE HOMOSEXUALS'' you would quite rightly think them very silly indeed.

Sorry Oliver... you are just.. a raving nutcase!

Welcome to free speech, UW.

By that I mean that everybody on this planet is free to
speak whatever they want in my opinion. But this alone
is no threat.

If you interpret this being a threat nevertheless, you
should drop your believe in free speech and -expression,
because your argument would be worthless if you believe
in free speech for yourself as long people don't say
anything that bothers you.

And no - Iran *surprise-surprise* doesn't have a long
history of violent, bloody military interventions:

http://www.google.com/search?source...ventions+iran+cuba+vietnam&btnG=Google+Search

So using facts, logic and historical background, it's safe to
say that the US-Government is a bunch of crazy war-horny
MF'ers. Not some people in the ME talking BS.

Unless - of course - you can provide some evidence
that is more convincing than the latest "Woo-mourning".

 

[Undesired Walrus]

Things that make you go hmmm...

[qimg]http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/7485/bombsxd3.jpg[/qimg]

Screen shot from the above youtube video.

Well, 1 out of 3 is not too bad.

 

[Undesired Walrus]

Welcome to free speech, UW.

By that I mean that everybody on this planet is free to
speak whatever they want in my opinion. But this alone
is no threat.

If you interpret this being a threat nevertheless, you
should drop your believe in free speech and -expression,
because your argument would be worthless if you believe
in free speech for yourself as long people don't say
anything that bothers you.

And no - Iran *surprise-surprise* doesn't have a long
history of violent, bloody military interventions:

http://www.google.com/search?source...ventions+iran+cuba+vietnam&btnG=Google+Search

So using facts, logic and historical background, it's safe to
say that the US-Government is a bunch of crazy war-horny
MF'ers. Not some people in the ME talking BS.

Unless - of course - you can provide some evidence
that is more convincing than the latest "Woo-mourning".

I don't really have a history of defending the US actions, so let's get rid of that one.

Nor do I have a history of calling those in the Middle East insane fruitcakes. Not wishing to play the 'Some of my best friends are...' card, but my avatar is of a Lebanese Muslim.

What we are saying here is if you would have some objection to Bush shouting in a big DC rally 'And in the bible belt they shout 'DEATH TO HOMOSEXUALS' and the entire crowd shouting back in the same breath. Would you defend what Bush said in the JREF politics section?

Would you?

 

[Oliver]

Well, 1 out of 3 is not too bad.

And it proves nothing. Just like the WTC7 footage. And
I'm fully aware that some people claim otherwise...

Anyway - I go to sleep. Maybe someone can post some
facts concerning a real threat coming from Iran until
tomorrow....

 

[Undesired Walrus]

And it proves nothing. Just like the WTC7 footage. And
I'm fully aware that some people claim otherwise...

Anyway - I go to sleep. Maybe someone can post some
facts concerning a real threat coming from Iran until
tomorrow.... [qimg]http://www.freesmileys.org/emo/sleep023.gif[/qimg]

reply to above post first please. It is only 1am over in your area.