Time to kick Iran

[WildCat]

He talks about it as if it's a fact that Iran wants a bomb... Who makes this stuff up?
The CIA ... once again?

Can you list the countries that state unequivocably that Iran is not interested in a bomb? Is Germany on that list?

 

[Oliver]

Can you list the countries that state unequivocably that Iran is not interested in a bomb? Is Germany on that list?

Since when don't you rely on facts anymore? No matter how
much people base their opinion on hearsay and wishful thinking?

If you have facts that he's a threat ... feel free to provide them...

Ignore the problem it will go away. Sure the guy has a lot of fiery rhetoric but that doesn't mean he will actually start a war or anything. We should ignore him. He is not worth paying attention to.

See - now you start to understand what I think about
Idiots who are indeed War-Presidents...

...and soon you will see that Ahmadinejad never was and
never will be such a president - even if your fantasy tells
you otherwise.

 

[RandFan]

...and soon you will see that Ahmadinejad never was and never will be such a president - even if your fantasy tells you otherwise.

"Soon"? What's this "soon"? Your claim is absurd.

 

[Oliver]

"Soon"? What's this "soon"? Your claim is absurd.

He's agreeing to all inspections and Iran is operation within the
IAEA's rules. So they have every right to get nuclear energy anyway.

These are the rules. Simple as that.

And Iran also isn't famous for starting wars - in contrast to some
higher moral countries I don't remember...

And let's not forget - it's not Ahmadinejad who's in charge for
the nuclear program [Initiated by the United States of White
House Hypocrites] anyway...

ETA: "Peace ... you know it makes sense."

 

[Gurdur]

...I wish Oliver would address it .....

..... I wish Oliver would post .....

RandFan, your capacity for endless masochism is nothing short of horrifying.

......'truther' ..... Oliver? ....You forget that you were one.

"Were"?

And ditto as with RandFan.

 

[Oliver]

RandFan, your capacity for endless masochism is nothing short of horrifying.

"Were"?

And ditto as with RandFan.

I'm "mittlerweile" used to your "inhaltslosen" comments. So?
What facts do you have to offer as a skeptical "person"?

 

[Pardalis]

Do the sentences like these look like

I hereby declare that this sinister regime (Israel) is the banner of Satan. It is the banner of the great Satan. All it does is to implement the orders of the criminal America and England.

They think that the peoples are the same as they were 100 years ago. They are not aware that things have changed in the world. Today, all the peoples have awoken. The Iranian people is the standard-bearer of this awakening for all the peoples.

As we can see, from the southernmost point in South America to the eastern most point in Asia, all the peoples are shouting a single cry. With placards in their hands and clenched fists, they shout:

DEATH TO ISRAEL!

DEATH TO ISRAEL!

DEATH TO ISRAEL!"

Does it look like a message of peace to Israel?

'They' shout? Did you miss the part where he allows the crowd to shout it themselves?

Useful idiots Oliver, dont be one of them.

Welcome to free speech, people.

 

[RandFan]

He's agreeing to all inspections and Iran is operation within the IAEA's rules. So they have any right to get nuclear energy anyway.

These are the rules. Simple as that.

Yes, rules are all you need.

And Iran also isn't famous for starting wars - in contrast to some higher moral countries I don't remember...

?

 

[RandFan]

RandFan, your capacity for endless masochism is nothing short of horrifying.

It's a flaw in my charachter.

 

[Oliver]

Yes, rules are all you need.

?

Oh, so the IAEA rules are good enough for all the other nuclear
countries - but they're too flabby for Muslim, middle-eastern
countries... Just like back in the good old fifties when being
white still meant something, right?

And if you feel I'm wrong ... feel free to sum up your
facts about the bogeyman-threat...

"You know it makes sense".

 

[RandFan]

Oh, so the IAEA rules are good enough for all the other nuclear countries...

You sure like those strawmen.

No, the IAEA rules are NOT enough to prevent the use of nuclear weapons. That's an absurd position.

And if you feel I'm wrong ... feel free to sum up your facts about the bogeyman-threat...

Would it make any difference to you? Many have made the argument before you simply ignore the argument. So, to what end should I make this argument?

 

[RandFan]

"You know it makes sense".

I'm a huge fan of Pat Condell who takes on Iran and the idiot Ahmadinejad. I have no idea what his position is as far as a war with Iran but then I'm not even sure of my own position. In any event, I agree with just about everything he said. I take a bit of exception with him about the America press. I think the press does critisize the president but I'll grant they don't do enough. I'm not sure what you think this proves. You seem to have a glaring blind spot when it comes to analyzing such information.

 

[Pardalis]

I'm a huge fan of Pat Condell who takes on Iran and the idiot Ahmadinejad.

Strange how Oliver completely missed this part isn't it?

 

[Oliver]

You sure like those strawmen.

No, the IAEA rules are NOT enough to prevent the use of nuclear weapons. That's an absurd position.

Would it make any difference to you? Many have made the argument before you simply ignore the argument. So, to what end should I make this argument?

I'm a huge fan of Pat Condell who takes on Iran and the idiot Ahmadinejad. I have no idea what his position is as far as a war with Iran but then I'm not even sure of my own position. In any event, I agree with just about everything he said. I take a bit of exception with him about the America press. I think the press does critisize the president but I'll grant they don't do enough. I'm not sure what you think this proves. You seem to have a glaring blind spot when it comes to analyzing such information.

I also like Patrick - especially because his cynicism concerning
Religions in the Middle-East and those who "took over US-politics".
And I also agree concerning the Media. A straight, free Media would
ask: "Why the **** is this idiot still president?". But I doubt this will
happen since they all seem to magically share the WH's POV as long
democrats didn't have blowjobs:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/10/04/chris-matthews-accuses-ch_n_67249.html


Concerning Iran: Since they say that their nuclear reactor is
for peaceful purposes and there is NO EVIDENCE to the contrary,
what is your point?

They didn't make up stuff yet - like the US-Report did, for example.
So Iran looks like they are the smaller Evildoers here, aren't they?

 

[jsiv]

Since no one here appears to be suggesting that Iran should be invaded tomorrow, what is your point, Oliver?

 

[Oliver]

Since no one here appears to be suggesting that Iran should be invaded tomorrow, what is your point, Oliver?

My point still is that Iran is no threat - while others are
trying to twist this fact.

Iran isn't a War-Mongering country.
The US, unfortunately, is.

And while I can't proof that Iran is lying - I surely can
proof the lies of the current US-Administration.

And everyone who doesn't see those facts - is at least
naive, blindly patriotic, completely blind or straightway dumb.

 

[RandFan]

Concerning Iran: Since they say that their nuclear reactor is for peaceful purposes and there is NO EVIDENCE to the contrary, what is your point?

Ahmadinejad lies. Iran has told lies. Iran and Ahmadinejad wants Israel destroyed.

How hard is it to understand that.

They didn't make up stuff yet - like the US-Report did, for example. So Iran looks like they are the smaller Evildoers here, aren't they?

America doesn't call for the destruction of any country. America does not support genocide. America very much wants for Iraq to control it's own destiny. America very much does not want civilian deaths. America very much wants for there to be peace in Iraq. Iran has called for the destruction of Israel. Iran has intentionally sent weapons to Iraq for the purpose of murdering innocent civilians.

This one is easy, for all of its "evil", America doesn't even come close to Iran.

 

[jsiv]

My point still is that Iran is no threat - while others are trying to twist this fact.

The two aren't mutually exclusive. You can be against an attack at the moment while also considering Iran a potential threat.

Iran isn't a War-Mongering country.

Debatable, since they do in fact engage in warfare. It's a different kind of warfare than America, but nevertheless. They also don't have the kind of military assets that the US does, so it may not even always be by choice.

And while I can't proof that Iran is lying - I surely can proof the lies of the current US-Administration.

Why does it have to always be either/or? Why aren't you open to the notion that it is possible to be critical of BOTH?


Do you honestly feel that Iran's rhetoric -- like chanting (sorry, "quoting") "Death to XXX" and holding military parades with prominent banners with the same text -- is productive to the peace effort? What about inciting other nations against Israel/America? Or sponsoring terrorist attacks against them?

I want a straight answer from you, Oliver. Is this something you consider productive, or is it something that is worthy of criticism and condemnation?

 

[RandFan]

My point still is that Iran is no threat - while others are trying to twist this fact.

This is just your claim. One that is not shared in the UN or many other nations.

Iran isn't a War-Mongering country.

Demonstrably untrue. Pure BS. Iran goes out of its way to see to it that Iraq civilians are killed and maimed. It's not in America's best interest that Iraqis civilians die. It is in Iran's best interest.

And while I can't proof that Iran is lying - I surely can proof the lies of the current US-Administration.

We have proved that Iran is lying. We've posted the evidence. You only see what you want to see.

And everyone who doesn't see those facts - is at least naive, blindly patriotic, completely blind or straightway dumb.

Look in the mirror my friend.

 

[Oliver]

Ahmadinejad lies. Iran has told lies. Iran and Ahmadinejad wants Israel destroyed.

How hard is it to understand that.

America doesn't call for the destruction of any country. America does not support genocide. America very much wants for Iraq to control it's own destiny. America very much does not want civilian deaths. America very much wants for there to be peace in Iraq. Iran has called for the destruction of Israel. Iran has intentionally sent weapons to Iraq for the purpose of murdering innocent civilians.

This one is easy, for all of its "evil", America doesn't even come close to Iran.

You still didn't get it:

Ahmadenjad did NOT call for Israels destruction. He quoted
that the "current administration in Israel sucks and should
vanish from the page of time".

And Bush said exactly the same: "The regimes of Iraq and
Iran sucks".

So when did Bush call for the destruction of Iran?
Would it be fair as well to put such a foot into Bush's
mouth?

And no: Ahmadinejad quoted:

On Oct. 25, 2005, Ahmadinejad quoted the Ayatollah Khomeini in Farsi translated as "The Imam said this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the pages of time."
Ahmadinejad's statement calling for regime change is no different than President George W. Bush calling for regime change in Iraq, Iran, etc.

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