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Time to kick Iran

Oliver said:
Ahmadenjad did NOT call for Israels destruction. He quoted that the "current administration in Israel sucks and should
vanish from the page of time".
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You're focusing on one statement, we're talking about another, the "death to Israel" statement on august 2nd 2006



And Bush said exactly the same: "The regimes of Iraq and
Iran sucks".
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Source?
 
jsiv said:
The two aren't mutually exclusive. You can be against an attack at the moment while also considering Iran a potential threat.

Debatable, since they do in fact engage in warfare. It's a different kind of warfare than America, but nevertheless. They also don't have the kind of military assets that the US does, so it may not even always be by choice.

Why does it have to always be either/or? Why aren't you open to the notion that it is possible to be critical of BOTH?

Do you honestly feel that Iran's rhetoric -- like chanting (sorry, "quoting") "Death to XXX" and holding military parades with prominent banners with the same text -- is productive to the peace effort? What about inciting other nations against Israel/America? Or sponsoring terrorist attacks against them?

I want a straight answer from you, Oliver. Is this something you consider productive, or is it something that is worthy of criticism and condemnation?
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I can imagine many threats with some WOO-imagination:

North-Korea
China
Israel
Pakistan
India
Russia
...

But those countries aren't stepping the stones around right now. It's
the US who is starting Wars based on BS right now - which makes
THEM the most dangerous country for world-peace nowadays.

Your counter-argument? :confused:
 
Pardalis said:
You're focusing on one statement, we're talking about another, the "death to Israel" statement on august 2nd 2006

Source?
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I know his comments about Ahmadinejad - and I don't disagree
with his opinion - even if he also would fail to provide evidence
for the claim that Iran is evolving Nukes - or plans to.

Until then, all the hype is WOO. And it's even more sad that
even so called skeptics fall for it. :(

And concerning "Where did Bush say that?":
http://irancoverage.com/
 
Oliver said:
Ahmadenjad did NOT call for Israels destruction. He quoted that the "current administration in Israel sucks and should vanish from the page of time".
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No, I DO get it. You are the one that doesn't.

Wiped off the map.

In a June 11, 2006 analysis of the translation controversy, New York Times deputy foreign editor Ethan Bronner stated that Ahmadinejad had said that Israel was to be wiped off the map. After noting the objections of critics such as Cole and Steele, Bronner said: "But translators in Tehran who work for the president's office and the foreign ministry disagree with them. All official translations of Mr. Ahmadinejad's statement, including a description of it on his Web site (www.president.ir/en/), refer to wiping Israel away. Bronner stated: "..it is hard to argue that, from Israel's point of view, Mr. Ahmadinejad poses no threat. Still, it is true that he has never specifically threatened war against Israel. So did Iran's president call for Israel to be 'wiped off the map'? It certainly seems so. Did that amount to a call for war? That remains an open question."[14]
A synopsis of Mr Ahmadinejad's speech on the Iranian Presidential website states:
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jsiv said:
You didn't answer my question.
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I AM critical to both sides. But the evidence shows that
it isn't Iran who is War-Mongering and lying. Unless there
is evidence for the lie that Iran poses a threat.

Until then I refuse to by this propaganda - and neither
should you with a clear mind.

And if there is evidence, and by that I don't talk about
10 years old CIA-reports, then feel free to go ahead and
kick Ahmadinejad's ass. But until then, I prefer to keep
it real.
 
Oliver said:
But those countries aren't stepping the stones around right now. It's the US who is starting Wars based on BS right now - which makes THEM the most dangerous country for world-peace nowadays.
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America ISN'T calling for anyone's destruction.

DEATH TO ISRAEL

That isn't benign.
 
Oliver said:
I AM critical to both sides.
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BS.

Iran has called for the destruction of Israel and you are acting the apologist.


But the evidence shows that it isn't Iran who is War-Mongering and lying. Unless there is evidence for the lie that Iran poses a threat.
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Iran is sending weapons for the express purpose of killing Iraqi civilians.
 
Pardalis said:
Who are you talking about?

Col. Jacobs is not Bush.
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I was talking about Pat Condell - but I saw that the
Video was about Ahmadinejad. So? What is his role
in the nuclear program? Or what is his role in Iran since
he isn't the head of the state or the military? :rolleyes:

And concerning the Link I provided. Read the older
entries - or even better, all lies they cover coming
from the Anti-Iranian US-Media...
 
RandFan said:
Ahmadinejad lies. Iran has told lies. Iran and Ahmadinejad wants Israel destroyed.

How hard is it to understand that.

America doesn't call for the destruction of any country. America does not support genocide. America very much wants for Iraq to control it's own destiny. America very much does not want civilian deaths. America very much wants for there to be peace in Iraq. Iran has called for the destruction of Israel. Iran has intentionally sent weapons to Iraq for the purpose of murdering innocent civilians.

This one is easy, for all of its "evil", America doesn't even come close to Iran.
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It's still true.
  • Iran does lie.
  • Iran does intentionally seek the murder of innocent Iraqis.
  • Iran calls for the destruction of Israel.
 
Oliver said:
I AM critical to both sides. But the evidence shows that it isn't Iran who is War-Mongering and lying. Unless there
is evidence for the lie that Iran poses a threat.
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I've posted this three times already, it really gets interesting at about 4:30:

 
Oliver said:
...but I saw that the Video was about Ahmadinejad. So? What is his role in the nuclear program? Or what is his role in Iran since he isn't the head of the state or the military?
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Right. Nothing to be concerned about. Ahmadinejad lies and calls for the destruction of Israel and everything is puppies and kittens.
 
Oliver said:
And concerning the Link I provided. Read the older
entries - or even better, all lies they cover coming
from the Anti-Iranian US-Media...
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I asked you to provide a quote from Bush saying:"The regimes of Iraq and
Iran sucks (sic)", you didn't.
 
RandFan said:
BS.

Iran has called for the destruction of Israel and you are acting the apologist.

Iran is sending weapons for the express purpose of killing Iraqi civilians.
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Call, call, call.

Don't you even make a difference between invading sovereign
countries that don't pose threats - and dangerous "Calls"??? :boggled:


Oh reaaaaly? Iran does that. What about the reports that
Saudi-Arabia is the biggest supporter for the Insurgents in
Iraq? Let's sweep that under the carpet - after all, they are
our friends... :boggled::rolleyes:

http://www.google.com/search?source=ig&hl=en&q=Saudi-Arabia+insurgents&btnG=Google+Search


What a hypocrisy - isn't it? :rolleyes:
 
Pardalis said:
I asked you to provide a quote from Bush saying:"The regimes of Iraq and
Iran sucks (sic)", you didn't.
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Since you're too lazy to compare both sides - to see
who's lying and who not, which doesn't surprise me...

Lying presidents:
Ahmadinejad NEVER SAID THAT! Why do you, Goury,
buy this "Silverstein pulled it" BS?
 
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Pardalis said:
I've posted this three times already, it really gets interesting at about 4:30:

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Things that make you go hmmm...

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Screen shot from the above youtube video.
 
Oliver said:
Call, call, call.

Don't you even make a difference between invading sovereign
countries that don't pose threats - and dangerous "Calls"??? :boggled:
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:eye-poppi :covereyes :eek: :rolleyes: :boggled:

Yeah, let's ignore this just as we ignored threats in the 1940's.


Oh reaaaaly? Iran does that. What about the reports that Saudi-Arabia is the biggest supporter for the Insurgents in Iraq? Let's sweep that under the carpet - after all, they are our friends... :boggled::rolleyes:
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:eek: :boggled: :eye-poppi :jaw-dropp :confused: :covereyes

I'm happy to critisize Saudia Arabia. I don't think we were talking about Saudia Arabaia.

We were discussing the lies of Iran which you, the apologist, states doesn't happen.
 
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