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Time to kick Iran

Oliver, the only reason he likes these rabbis is that they too are Holocaust deniers. It's not a "peace effort". These rabbis also want the destruction of Israel, by any means. That may involve effort, but it's not peace.
 
marksman said:
Oliver, the only reason he likes these rabbis is that they too are Holocaust deniers. It's not a "peace effort". These rabbis also want the destruction of Israel, by any means. That may involve effort, but it's not peace.
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Those Jewish Rabbis are Holocaust-Deniers??? :boggled:
Can you please back up this claim with facts?
 
Oliver said:
Those Jewish Rabbis are Holocaust-Deniers??? :boggled:
Can you please back up this claim with facts?
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According to the Jerusalem Post:
On Sunday, members of the delegation, headed by Rabbi Yisroel Dovid Weiss, met with Iranian Vice-President Ahmad Moussavi, who also chairs the Iranian Committee in Support of the Palestinian Revolution.

At the meeting, according to the Iranian news agency IRNA, Weiss "praised the 'enlightening' statements of Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad about the Holocaust and said the establishment of a Zionist government and occupation of Palestine are contrary to the injunctions of Judaism."​
(Emphasis added.)

Rabbi Weiss praised Ahmadinejad's statements at his Holocaust Denier's Conference. Plenty of Jews are not in favor of an Israeli State. Only Weiss' group would attend a Holocaust Denial Conference and praise Ahmadinejad's statements denying the Holocaust.

And that's why Ahmadinejad visited Rabbi Weiss.
 
marksman said:
According to the Jerusalem Post:
On Sunday, members of the delegation, headed by Rabbi Yisroel Dovid Weiss, met with Iranian Vice-President Ahmad Moussavi, who also chairs the Iranian Committee in Support of the Palestinian Revolution.

At the meeting, according to the Iranian news agency IRNA, Weiss "praised the 'enlightening' statements of Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad about the Holocaust and said the establishment of a Zionist government and occupation of Palestine are contrary to the injunctions of Judaism."​
(Emphasis added.)

Rabbi Weiss praised Ahmadinejad's statements at his Holocaust Denier's Conference. Plenty of Jews are not in favor of an Israeli State. Only Weiss' group would attend a Holocaust Denial Conference and praise Ahmadinejad's statements denying the Holocaust.

And that's why Ahmadinejad visited Rabbi Weiss.
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Pardalis said:
And if I understand this right, these Rabbis have been denounced by their own group:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neturei_Karta#Condemnation_by_main_branch_of_Neturei_Karta

So Ahmadinejad didn't just visit any Rabbis, he visited a fringe group within a fringe group.
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No words... :boggled:
 
Concerning the Kyl-Lieberman Amendment (about IRAN):

The Huffington Post debunked the lies within the Amendment. But nice
to see that [fill in the blank]-UP Politicans vote for Lies nevertheless:


Lieberman-Kyl vs. the Evidence

Posted September 26, 2007 | 05:56 PM
1. The administration has not come forward with a single piece of concrete evidence to support the claim that the Iranian government has been involved in the training, arming or advising of Iraqi Shiite militias. *snip*
2. The U.S. intelligence community has not endorsed the argument being made by some in the Bush administration that the Iranian government was responsible for the rise in Shiite military activity in Iraq. *snip*
3. The main argument made in the February 11, 2007 briefing for an Iranian official role in providing EFPs to Shiite militias — the allegation that only Iran had the capability to manufacture EFPs or components for EFPs that can penetrate U.S. armor — was quickly proven to be untrue. *snip*
4. U.S. and British Military officers and civilian officials have expressed doubt that EFPs and other armaments in the hands of Shiites have actually come from Iran or that Iranian Quds force personnel have been involved in the supply. *snip*
5. The Quds Force of Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps*snip* has apparently been withdrawn from Iraq.
6. There is a substantial body of evidence that the Hezbollah in Lebanon. *snip*

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Full Source: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-gareth-porter/liebermankyl-vs-the-evi_b_66020.html
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Pardalis said:
And if I understand this right, these Rabbis have been denounced by their own group:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neturei_Karta#Condemnation_by_main_branch_of_Neturei_Karta

So Ahmadinejad didn't just visit any Rabbis, he visited a fringe group within a fringe group.
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That's your opinion - but doesn't sound very convincing:


Jewish community in Iran slams US protest against Ahmadinejad's visit

Heads of Iran's Jewish community 'outraged by the disrespect' shown to the Iranian president during Columbia visit

Full Article: http://www.ynetnews.com/Ext/Comp/ArticleLayout/CdaArticlePrintPreview/1,2506,L-3453810,00.html
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Okay, the war of amendments is on - after the Lieberman/Kyl
Amendment was passed this week. But I'm not that sure which
side is more stupid. On the other Hand, thanks to what we know
about the CIA's interventions in Iran over the years - and the
terrific intelligence on Iraq, Iran has a very, very good point:

Iran's parliament votes to label CIA,
U.S. Army 'terrorist' groups

(CNN) -- The Iranian parliament on Saturday voted to
designate the United States' Central Intelligence
Agency and the U.S. Army as terrorist organizations,
IRNA, the country's state-run news agency, reported.

Full Article: http://edition.cnn.com
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Tokorona said:
So you believe Iran and not the USA, Oliver?
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I believe more in Irans Government than the current White
House - because the current White House got caught in
so many lies, cover ups, distortions and half-truths that you
can't believe them anyway.

BTW: How often did Iran lie in the last view years? :confused:
 
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Oliver said:
I believe more in Irans Government than the current White House - because the current White House got caught in so many lies, cover ups, distortions and half-truths that you can't believe them anyway.

BTW: How often did Iran lie in the last view years? :confused:
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How could you possibly know?

In any event, you simply assert propaganda. Not that the administration hasn't ****ed up, they have.
 
Oliver said:
BTW: How often did Iran lie in the last view years? :confused:
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I think a better question is how often Iran murderd disidents, homosexuals and women.

According to Amnesty International, 210 people have been executed in Iran so far this year – 21 of them on the morning of September 5th alone. This annual total includes at least two children – further proof, as Human Rights Watch puts it, that Iran leads the world in executing minors.

Iran hanged up to 30 people this past July and August during a widely reported suppression of efforts to establish a more open, democratic society in Iran. Many of these executions were carried out in public view, a violation of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, to which Iran is a party.
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Yes, that is your beloved Iran Oliver.

No, that doesn't excuse America's sins.

ETA: Neither is it justification for an invasion.
 
RandFan said:
I think a better question is how often Iran murderd disidents, homosexuals and women.

Yes, that is your beloved Iran Oliver.

No, that doesn't excuse America's sins.

ETA: Neither is it justification for an invasion.
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Do me a favor, Randfan: Put the Flag aside and "Go skeptic":


SPIEGEL ONLINE: How much does the West really know about the nuclear program in Iran?

Seymour Hersh: A lot. And it's been underestimated how much the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) knows. If you follow what (IAEA head Mohamed) ElBaradei (more...) and the various reports have been saying, the Iranians have claimed to be enriching uranium to higher than a 4 percent purity, which is the amount you need to run a peaceful nuclear reactor. But the IAEA's best guess is that they are at 3.67 percent or something. The Iranians are not even doing what they claim to be doing. The IAEA has been saying all along that they've been making progress but basically, Iran is nowhere. Of course the US and Israel are going to say you have to look at the worst case scenario, but there isn't enough evidence to justify a bombing raid.

*snip*

Hersh: We have this wonderful capacity in America to Hitlerize people. We had Hitler, and since Hitler we've had about 20 of them. Khrushchev and Mao and of course Stalin, and for a little while Gadhafi was our Hitler. And now we have this guy Ahmadinejad. The reality is, he's not nearly as powerful inside the country as we like to think he is. The Revolutionary Guards have direct control over the missile program and if there is a weapons program, they would be the ones running it. Not Ahmadinejad.

*snip*

Hersh: Pressure from the White House. That's just their game.

Full article: http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,508394,00.html
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Irrelevant.

believe more in Irans Government than the current White
House - because the current White House got caught in
so many lies, cover ups, distortions and half-truths that you
can't believe them anyway.
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COnfirmation bias and poisoning the well!

ETA: To make it clear, you're ignoring iran lying and not the US. That is an example of confirmation bias- you expect it from the US so you see it.
 
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Tokorona said:
Irrelevant.



COnfirmation bias and poisoning the well!

ETA: To make it clear, you're ignoring iran lying and not the US. That is an example of confirmation bias- you expect it from the US so you see it.
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http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,508394,00.html

Hersh: "Oh yeah. They've done a better job since. But back then, they blew it. When you have a guy like Bush who's going to move the infamous Doomsday Clock forward, and he's going to put everybody in jeopardy and he's secretive and he doesn't tell Congress anything and he's inured to what we write. In such a case, we (journalists) become more important. The First Amendment failed and the American press failed the Constitution. We were jingoistic. And that was a terrible failing. I'm asked the question all the time: What happened to my old paper, the New York Times? And I now say, they stink. They missed it. They missed the biggest story of the time and they're going to have to live with it."
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Wake up... :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Movement_to_impeach_George_W._Bush
6 Rationales for impeachment
 
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