“This is what tolerance looks like at UC Berkeley”

AJM8125 said:
Well if I'm wrong about it being related to the wall o' doom then I stand corrected but my point still stands and that is both sides are idiots.
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Agreed, nitwits around. Especially, IIRC, Cali is a CCW state, and things could have gotten a whole lot more serious very quickly.

AJM8125 said:
Sorry, no. In California you're allowed to use pepper spray ONLY for SELF defense. You're not allowed to use it in defense of others. The only legal use observed in the OC video was when BlocTard #2 was pinned down on the beach and being beaten by the Trumptard. Everything else was illegal and the BlocTards doing the spraying are lucky they weren't brought up on charges.
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That's weird. Self-defense laws normally incorporate defense of others as well as the self. From the Los Angeles County Bar Association:

LACBA said:
It is important that if you use tear gas or pepper spray, you use it lawfully, only when necessary for self-defense, or for the defense of another person.
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How is defense of another excluded? Is it some kind of anti-vigilante provision?
 
MostlyDead said:
Agreed, nitwits around. Especially, IIRC, Cali is a CCW state, and things could have gotten a whole lot more serious very quickly.
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No. California is decidedly NOT a state where a CCL can be easily obtained. Rules for issue vary by county but the majority of them require the applicant to show "good cause" for the CCL. Self defense, for most counties, is not good cause. Some Rural counties will issue but for instance where I live ( San Francisco Bay Area) it's all but impossible.

MostlyDead said:
That's weird. Self-defense laws normally incorporate defense of others as well as the self. From the Los Angeles County Bar Association:
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The law in California is fairly straightforward. Penal Code 22810:

22810.
Notwithstanding any other provision of law, any person may purchase, possess, or use tear gas or any tear gas weapon for the projection or release of tear gas if the tear gas or tear gas weapon is used solely for self-defense purposes, subject to the following requirements: <snip>

(g) (1) Except as provided in paragraph (2), any person who uses tear gas or any tear gas weapon except in self-defense is guilty of a public offense and is punishable by imprisonment pursuant to subdivision (h) of Section 1170 for 16 months, or two or three years or in a county jail not to exceed one year or by a fine not to exceed one thousand dollars ($1,000), or by both the fine and imprisonment.
(2) If the use is against a peace officer, as defined in Chapter 4.5 (commencing with Section 830) of Title 3 of Part 2, engaged in the performance of official duties and the person committing the offense knows or reasonably should know that the victim is a peace officer, the offense is punishable by imprisonment pursuant to subdivision (h) of Section 1170 for 16 months or two or three years or by a fine of one thousand dollars ($1,000), or by both the fine and imprisonment.
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MostlyDead said:
How is defense of another excluded? Is it some kind of anti-vigilante provision?
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Defense of another person must be within reason. Say you're walking on the beach with a companion and one of you is suddenly assaulted, it is reasonable to assume that the other other person is just as much danger as the one being attacked so yes, pepper spray may be used in an act of self defense with the added benefit of defending another person.

Say you're walking on the beach watching your friend slap TrumpTards?

You get the idea.
 
AJM8125 said:
No. California is decidedly NOT a state where a CCL can be easily obtained. Rules for issue vary by county but the majority of them require the applicant to show "good cause" for the CCL. Self defense, for most counties, is not good cause. Some Rural counties will issue but for instance where I live ( San Francisco Bay Area) it's all but impossible.
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I wouldn't think it's easy in any urban area, but a CCL is county issued and Statewide valid, with exceptions. Trump supporters could plausibly live in rural counties and drive to Huntington for the march.

AJM8125 said:
The law in California is fairly straightforward. Penal Code 22810:


Defense of another person must be within reason. Say you're walking on the beach with a companion and one of you is suddenly assaulted, it is reasonable to assume that the other other person is just as much danger as the one being attacked so yes, pepper spray may be used in an act of self defense with the added benefit of defending another person.

Say you're walking on the beach watching your friend slap TrumpTards?

You get the idea.
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Cali self-defense instruction for jurors:

CALCRIM 3470 said:
The defendant is not guilty of <insert crime(s) charged> if (he/she) used force against the other person in lawful (self-defense/ [or] defense of another). The defendant acted in lawful (self-defense/ [or] defense of another) if:

1. The defendant reasonably believed that (he/she/ [or] someone else/ [or] <insert name of third party>) was in imminent danger of suffering bodily injury [or was in imminent danger of being touched unlawfully];

2. The defendant reasonably believed that the immediate use of force was necessary to defend against that danger;

AND

3. The defendant used no more force than was reasonably necessary to defend against that danger.
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More of a self-defense question, but Blocktard #1 (el Slappo) did not pose a credible threat to Trumptard #1 (the guy she probably slapped right after Trumptard 0 attacked others). She was guilty of battery, but I don't think his counterattack could be claimed self-defense as she was posing no danger that needed to be met with violence. So maybe Blocktard #2 could claim reasonable defense of another, as she was coming around the crowd from the other side and may only have caught Bloctard #1 being dropped.

But as you say, knuckleheads all. Thirty or less protesters getting rowdy with two thousand marchers is just poor judgement. Attacking a small group of protesters so violently shows equal hubris, although they did seem to get away with it.

ETA: One of the marchers interviewed and videoed, I think his name was Travis Guenther(?) was openly and repeatedly striking a retreating protester with a Trump flagpole. Boggles my mind how he was not charged.

https://www.justia.com/criminal/docs/calcrim/3400/3470.html
 
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More fun at Berkeley today. Arrests, beatings, pepper spray, all kinds of good stuff.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/15/us/berkeley-protests-trump/index.html

http://kron4.com/2017/04/15/berkeley-braces-for-another-round-of-violent-protests/

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-berkeley-trump-rally-20170415-story.html

http://www.theamericanmirror.com/video-trump-supporters-beaten-agitators-berkeley-rally/

One good thing: the rest of the country is not like Berkeley. I don't mean the protests, I mean everything that happens there. It lives in its own little world or something.
 
Can someone explain who is who? And I loved the guy in the hi-vis jacket with the slogan "Jesus will judge you" getting a few kicks in the guy who was bring beaten on the pavement.
 
Two groups of violent idiots drowning out the voices of the majority of people that actually want to act civilized.

You know who I would actually root for? A group who went to places these waring factions of immaturity are going to show up and placed a couple crates of loaded firearms between them. Let nature sort it out.
 
Darat said:
Can someone explain who is who? And I loved the guy in the hi-vis jacket with the slogan "Jesus will judge you" getting a few kicks in the guy who was bring beaten on the pavement.
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The usual, fascists vs antifa. As the posts above and below yours show, the fascists are getting really desperate if all they have is video of a neo-nazi punching a woman and a couple of cherry-picked minutes in a side street where they actually managed to advance a couple hundred yards for a moment.
 
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We're not getting blown away with insightful and intelligent anitfa commentary surrounding this event now are we ?
 
Having watched the video footage of the fight, I think this settles the Vegan vs Meat Eating debate.
 
I can't think of anything that would make Trump supporters more sympathetic than what these antifa kooks are doing.

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Stout said:
We're not getting blown away with insightful and intelligent anitfa commentary surrounding this event now are we ?
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In fairness, the links presented tell us very little about what happened at this gig, as far as who instigated what violence. We have a clear video of a fascist/nazi/Trumper/whatever punching a woman in the face, no run-up as far as what happened immediately before, so just a clear battery delivered by the Trump side. Actually, another clash where the pro-Trump marchers are aggressive (shades of Orange County).
 
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