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Re: To Crossbow:

King of the Americas said:

In all sincereity, you are doing a pretty crappy job of addressing the issue of the President's inaction.
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What inaction? The president acted, just not as quickly as you think he should have. And it would not have made a difference, even asking those questions would not have made a difference. And given that all he knew was that two planes had crashed into the WTC, I cannot see how those questions would have popped into his head.
 
Re: To ssibal:

King of the Americas said:
AGAIN, he didn't get anywhere NEAR making this decision when he needed to. While 2 planes were headed toward their targets, he wasn't getting briefed upon how many others threats there were. He wasn't asking any questions of a serious nature, and he wasn't in contact with anyone who COULD have done anything to react to these attacks. He was reading a kiddie book about a freaking goat!
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Because he DID NOT KNOW that two planes were heading towards their targets. How hard is that to understand?
 
Have not looked at this thread in several days, but KoA's PM to me about the questions reminded me of it. I've read a bit more, and again must say the same thing:

KoA, you just don't get it. You are totally, completely, and fundamentally in error about your basic assumptions. I've tried to aim you in the right direction, but you will not be aimed. You seem intent on continuing to function from ignorance.

There are many questions about 9/11 that should be answered. And as you know, I have a particularly personal reason for caring. But your laser focus on POTUS and the actions the surround his notification show a complete lack of understanding. Your continued protestations show an unwillingness to learn, and that I find tough to take. So, this was my final post on this subject to you.
 
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Crossbow said:


Ugh KOA, you idiotic boob the president cannot just go around shooting down airplanes that he cannot communicate with! That is what the Soviets did with Flight 007 and look at what happened there!

The plane may be having radio problems, the plane may be having some sort of emergency, the pilots may be distracted dealing with a situation on the plane, or any number of other things. He was a pilot after all, so he does know about the problems involved with in-flight communications.

Simply being out of communication with an airplane does not mean that airplane has been hijacked by suicidal terrorists.

Have you ever flown a plane? Bush has, I have quite a few times, I doubt that you ever have so I expect that you know even less about avaition than you do about Radar.
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Let's not forget about the USS Vincennes incident... the accidental shooting down of Iran Air Flight 655 with the loss of 290 innocent passengers.
 
Re: To ssibal:

King of the Americas said:
As far as 'I' know, ONLY the POTUS can order the shooting down of a civilian craft, so while the JCS and others might counsel the President, it is ultimately up to him 'which' plane gets shot down.

AGAIN, he didn't get anywhere NEAR making this decision when he needed to. While 2 planes were headed toward their targets, he wasn't getting briefed upon how many others threats there were. He wasn't asking any questions of a serious nature, and he wasn't in contact with anyone who COULD have done anything to react to these attacks. He was reading a kiddie book about a freaking goat!
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This comment was not addressed to me, however after some four pages of this thread I think KOA is finally showing what is really bothering him.

Bush should have cancelled his appointment with the class and dealt with the problem immediately and because he did not, KOA views this as a mistake.

I doubt that even if Bush did what KOA wanted him to do that it would have made any difference because by the time the news was confirmed, the other two planes were already hijacked and heading off to their respective targets. However, if Bush would have acted in the way KOA wanted him to, then KOA may have been pleased with Bush.

Oh well, it is too late now to worry about that. I guess Bush will just have to go on living with the displeasure of KOA. I really, really, really doubt that Bush will worry too much about that.
 
To Crossbow:

What inaction!?

We are under attack from an unknown source, and INSTEAD of getting briefed on the situation, he is reading a f*cking kiddie book!
 
To Hal:

You've said, 'I don't get it', before. But YOU are the one not willing to provide the information we need to ALL get it.

How many miles is Langley from the Pentagon?

How fast could a fighter jet HAVE gotten to the scene from 100 miles away fromt he Pentagon?

Who is the ONLY person who could have ordered the downing of a civilian plane on 9-11?
 
Re: To Crossbow:

King of the Americas said:
What inaction!?

We are under attack from an unknown source, and INSTEAD of getting briefed on the situation, he is reading a f*cking kiddie book!
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And the president knew we were under attack? All he knew was that two planes had crashed into the WTC.
 
To Crossbow:

NO.

I do NOT view this as a simple 'mistake', but rather a Dereliction of Duty. A 'mistake' is fumbling over the use of the word "crusade" to describe our military actions of the middle east. A 'mistake' would be ordering the downing of all planes off course without investigating which were truly dangers to our security.

NOT acting like the Commander in Chief upon hearing we were "under attack" is much more than a simple mistake. 'Hiding' in a classroom full of kids while our nation is under attack...

THAT is some seriously screwed up stuff. If you are going to argue that a kiddie book about a goat WAS the #1 priority of the Commander in Chief once he found out that we WERE under attack, then I truly have no words for that.
 
Re: Re: To Crossbow:

ssibal said:


And the president knew we were under attack? All he knew was that two planes had crashed into the WTC.
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8:45 a.m. First jet, American Airlines Flight 11 crashes into the north tower of the World Trade Center.

9:03 a.m. A second hijacked airliner, United Airlines Flight 175 crashes into the south tower of the World Trade Center.

9:10 a.m. President Bush is first told of the collision of two airliners with the World Trade Center.

9:17 a.m. The Federal Aviation Administration shuts down all New York City area airports.

9:21 a.m. The Port Authority of New York and New Jersey orders all bridges and tunnels in the New York area closed.

9:30 a.m. President Bush, speaking in Florida, says the country has suffered an "apparent terrorist attack."

Seems like pretty swift and decisive action if you ask me...
 
To ssbal & Kodiak:

The President was 'informed' that the second plane hit the second tower at 9:05-07, AND at this point he was told that we "...were under attack."

Kodiak, so you find that the President was NOT informed of the 1st plane hitting the tower at all, UNTIL after the second plane hit?

Where did you get the "9:10" time frame? ALL of the reports that 'I' have read say that the President was informed that a 'second' plane has hit the WTC, and that were wereindeed under attack several minutes BEFORE that.
 
Yes! My turn.

KOA said:
while he COULD have been trying to figure out which plane WAS threatening to attack.
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CrossBow made an excellent reply and even used an adjective that was both accurately descriptive of it subject AND produced delightful images in my brain [golf clap].

Now, KOA, despite his penchant for donning airforce jumpsuits, the President, certain fantastical alien-invasion movies aside, does not jump in the cock-pit, share some heavy-metal high fives with Goose and dog fight threats to the nation.

You nimrod. If you and Lucianarchy had a baby it would never have the courage to exit the womb and then waste time creating dip-◊◊◊◊ theories as to how aliens conspire with dead relatives to keep it in there.

Please. Don't have sex with Lucianarchy.
 
To cOrbin:

Sticks and stones may break bones, but the President was still hiding among children reading a book about a goat, while we were under attack.

Moreover, his kiddie book break was nothing less than abandoning his Duty as Commander in Chief.
 
Re: To cOrbin:

King of the Americas said:
Sticks and stones may break bones, but the President was still hiding among children reading a book about a goat, while we were under attack.

Moreover, his kiddie book break was nothing less than abandoning his Duty as Commander in Chief.
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Are you saying that Bush's egregious failure to duck into the nearest phone booth to change into his cape and mask was akin to the classical (if inaccurate) image of Nero fiddling as Rome burned?

Edited to add: Perhaps someone ought to bring a class-action lawsuit against Verizon for their gross negligence in not having provided a phone booth that could be reached in less than 30 minutes. I think you're just the guy to spearhead this effort, KOA.
 
Re: To cOrbin:

King of the Americas said:
Sticks and stones may break bones, but the President was still hiding among children reading a book about a goat, while we were under attack.

Moreover, his kiddie book break was nothing less than abandoning his Duty as Commander in Chief.
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Wow, I never thought that I would ever help defend George W. Bush, but here goes:

KOA if you really think that, then make an appointment with your local member from the US House of Representatives to see about getting an impeachment.

At the very least I expect he will give you a polite good bye and if that person was me I would throw you out the door.
 
Sticks and stones may break bones, but the President was still hiding among children reading a book about a goat, while we were under attack.

Moreover, his kiddie book break was nothing less than abandoning his Duty as Commander in Chief.
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There is not a smilie to express the convulsive laughter that issued from my office when I read this.

I too used to question the smarts of the President until he demonstrated the utter brilliance of hiding on national television.

An amazing thing, that.

You love the punishment, admit it.

You really meant to say "Sticks and stones may break my bones...thank you sir may I have another?"
 
Re: To cOrbin:

King of the Americas said:
Sticks and stones may break bones, but the President was still hiding among children reading a book about a goat, while we were under attack.

Moreover, his kiddie book break was nothing less than abandoning his Duty as Commander in Chief.
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The harder you try and educate him, the deeper he slides into ignorance. It's bizarre. It's like his critical thinking circuits are wired backwards.

It gets to the point where it useless to even try. You just gaze in perplexed wonder, and say...
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Fascinating.
 
To Jocko:

I don't think Nero ordering the burning of Rome, is the same thing as Bush reading a kiddie book while we were under attack?

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To Crossbow:

I don't think that is beyond comprehension, however given the fact they are alotted to spend 14 million on the 9-11 investigation I doubt they'll uncover the same amount of 'dirt' that the 80 million they spent investigating Clinton's BJ got them.

I think there is clear evidence that the President acted wrongly when he didn't immediately take action as the Commander in Chief, once he KNEW we were being attacked.

And I WILL write a letter or two to this affect, to my Representative soon.
 
Re: To Jocko:

King of the Americas said:
I think there is clear evidence that the President acted wrongly when he didn't immediately take action as the Commander in Chief, once he KNEW we were being attacked.

And I WILL write a letter or two to this affect, to my Representative soon.
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At the risk of being presumptuous I think I speak for everyone when I say, "that's nice".
 
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