These are homeopathic medicines?

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

World Homeopathic Computer Club
You know it very well.

This is the same firm who offered you prize money and money is with them. Now you will say show the money. first show JREF money.

Ah, so your "prize" is not being held by an independent, third-party.

And since, apparently, you're too damned lazy to read the Paranormal Challenge faq and go here http://tfcny.fdncenter.org/990s/990search/esearch.php

The Foundation Center is a firm that manages grants, both from a grantor side and a grantee side. They are _completely independent of JREF_. JREF has no control over the Foundation Center and can not withdrawal the money from the grant. The Foundation Center handles paying any winner of the JREF challenge, NOT JREF.

The JREF grant information follows:
Organization Name State Year Total Assets Form Pages Ein
James Randi Education Foundation Inc. FL 2004 $2,168,624 990 18 65-0649443
James Randi Education Foundation Inc. FL 2003 $1,878,457 990 18 65-0649443
James Randi Education Foundation Inc. FL 2002 $1,733,446 990 18 65-0649443


JREF's newest 990 _FEDERAL UNITED STATES TAX FORM_ can be viewed here:
http://dynamodata.fdncenter.org/990s/990search/990.php?ein=650649443&yr=200412&rt=990&t9=A

If you doubt its authenticity, please report it here http://www.irs.gov/compliance/enforcement/article/0,,id=106778,00.html
http://www.irs.gov/faqs/faq1-13.html

 

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

MASS = Money Amass Safety Store
This is also a high profile safty store where you can keep anything for longer time. This store provide services for all prupse.

Oh! It's a self-storage unit like this?
http://www.ustorit.com/?engine=adwords!5593&keyword=%28chicago+self+storage%29&match_type=

 

[Dr. A Sheikh]

Ah, so your "prize" is not being held by an independent, third-party.

What do you mean by third party? Will that third party deliver JREF prize without the approval of JREF to winner?

And since, apparently, you're too damned lazy to read the Paranormal Challenge faq and go here http://tfcny.fdncenter.org/990s/990search/esearch.php

The Foundation Center is a firm that manages grants, both from a grantor side and a grantee side. They are _completely independent of JREF_. JREF has no control over the Foundation Center and can not withdrawal the money from the grant. The Foundation Center handles paying any winner of the JREF challenge, NOT JREF.

So what what does this have any advantage? when winner cannot claim for prize unless jref approves to withdraw the amount.

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Your arguments ar week.

 

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Your arguments ar week.

Your knowledge of escrow is teh sux.

Once a protocol for testing is accepted by the applicant and JREF an independent(1) third-party(2) observer(3) will decide if the applicant passes. They then report to the escrow service who hands out the prize. Again, this is my understand and if you want the authoratative answer talk to Kramer and the JREF.


(1) 1 : not dependent: as a (1) : not subject to control by others : SELF-GOVERNING (2) : not affiliated with a larger controlling unit

(2) Third party has these meanings:

In contract law, is any person other than the two principals (the first party and the second party) who is involved in, or affected by, a contract. For example:
Third party insurance insures against damages to third parties — that is, people other than the first party (the insured) and the second party (the insurer). Automobile public liability insurance against accidents would be a common example of this type of insurance.
"Third party" or "aftermarket" goods and services are modifications to products by someone other than the original manufacturer or supplier.
In the video game industry, a third-party developer is a games development company that neither manufactures a brand of video game console nor is tied to one brand through contract or ownership.

(3) Observer can have the following meanings:

A person that is observing, its role in observational sciences and physical reference frames: see observation
A flanuer in an organization that is sent to observe and report on the proceedings of an assembly or a meeting but that can not vote or otherwise participate.

 

[LTC8K6]

The WHCC is drmas.

 

[Zep]

Troll. Trollity-troll-troll-troll.

 

[Hitch]

The WHCC is drmas.

You're laboring under the misapprehension that Dr. MAS, Dr. A Sheikh, WHCC, et. al. actually exist.

 

[LTC8K6]

No, I'm not.

 

[Jeff Corey]

Your arguments ar week.

Not as week as your brain ar.

 

[StoatBringer]

If you prove homeopathic medicines do not have molecules you can win million dollar...

I thought the whole point of homeopathics "medicines" is that they don't contain molecules. Just the magic, untestable "memory" of molecules.

You don't even understand your own subject, it would appear.

 

[steenkh]

What do you mean by third party? Will that third party deliver JREF prize without the approval of JREF to winner?

So what what does this have any advantage? when winner cannot claim for prize unless jref approves to withdraw the amount.

There is no judging involved in the JREF challenge. That means that the JREF cannot decide whether they want to acknowledge that you have won the challenge or not. They have to pay up if you deliver the successful demonstration of the paranormal ability that you have stated and that the JREF has agreed upon.

If they do not pay up, you can force them to do so in court, and believe me, there are lots of lawyers who will take on your case for a share in the JREF bank account!

Edited to add: The reason why it is a good thing for you that the money is deposited with a third party is that the JREF cannot make the money disappear so that the account is empty when they should pay up!

 

[LTC8K6]

These are homeopathic medicines?

Why the question mark? Don't you two know?

 

[Dr. A Sheikh]

There is no judging involved in the JREF challenge. That means that the JREF cannot decide whether they want to acknowledge that you have won the challenge or not. They have to pay up if you deliver the successful demonstration of the paranormal ability that you have stated and that the JREF has agreed upon.

If they do not pay up, you can force them to do so in court, and believe me, there are lots of lawyers who will take on your case for a share in the JREF bank account!

Edited to add: The reason why it is a good thing for you that the money is deposited with a third party is that the JREF cannot make the money disappear so that the account is empty when they should pay up!

Pai na chaar (It is a quotation which we use in our language this means I will not pay you One rupee but four coins of 25 paisas which is also equal to one rupee)

Who will decide that the demonstration is successful? Obviously JREF committee.

You can only get money when JREF is agreed. When he will agree? Nobody knows?

What has to be proved in homeopathy so that someone could win that prize is still not clear.

In all cases you cannnot win JREF prize.

 

[LTC8K6]

Who will decide that the demonstration is successful? Obviously JREF committee.

You can only get money when JREF is agreed. When he will agree? Nobody knows?

What has to be proved in homeopathy so that someone could win that prize is still not clear.

In all cases you cannnot win JREF prize.

All of the above is incorrect.

 

[Nucular]

Pai na chaar (It is a quotation which we use in our language this means I will not pay you One rupee but four coins of 25 paisas which is also equal to one rupee)

Who will decide that the demonstration is successful? Obviously JREF committee.

You can only get money when JREF is agreed. When he will agree? Nobody knows?

What has to be proved in homeopathy so that someone could win that prize is still not clear.

In all cases you cannnot win JREF prize.

There is no JREF committee.

The tests are designed so that the results are self-evident. For example, you either get 8 out of 10 or you don't; you either tell the difference between your remedy and your stock solution or you don't. There is no judging, and no committee.

Sorry to disappoint your hopes for fudging and equivocation; the JREF challenge is unfortunately heavily stacked in favour of people who can do what they say they can do.

 

[Donks]

Who will decide that the demonstration is successful? Obviously JREF committee.

Obviously you do not understand the meaning of "self evident." I suggest you wait a few years, maybe after you leave kindergarten they will teach it to you.

You can only get money when JREF is agreed. When he will agree? Nobody knows?

People who know how to read know.

What has to be proved in homeopathy so that someone could win that prize is still not clear.

It is as clear as anyone could reasonably make it, so the problem must be on your end. More precisely, between your ears. Read this line and try to understand it: Demonstrate that you can distinguish between a 30C remedy and the stock solvent. Is that clear, or should I use smaller words?

In all cases you cannnot win JREF prize.

You are right, I cannot win the JREF prize, because I have no paranormal abilities. If you aren't lying about homeopathy, you can. But of course, we all know you can't.

 

[steenkh]

Who will decide that the demonstration is successful? Obviously JREF committee.

Not correct. As I mentioned, the rules state that all tests must be constructed so that results are unambiguous, and are not subject to judgment. Example: either you identify 18 out of 20 samples as being potentised homoeopathic dilutions, or you don't.

You can only get money when JREF is agreed. When he will agree? Nobody knows?

No, if you pass the test, you get the money. The test is constructed in an unambiguous way, and the JREf is not even a part of the test! It is performed by independent specialists who do not have a million dollar to lose.

What has to be proved in homeopathy so that someone could win that prize is still not clear.

That is up to you. James Randi has already promised the prize to anybody who can distinguish homoeopathic dilutions from pure solvent. Strangely, this most simple test of all has no takers! But you can suggest your own demonstration, keping in mind that you need to construct a protocol that will not involve judging. And admittedly, that can pose problems for a medical demosnttration.

In all cases you cannnot win JREF prize.

As you see, the prize is winnable. Go get it!

 

[Dr. A Sheikh]

Not correct. As I mentioned, the rules state that all tests must be constructed so that results are unambiguous, and are not subject to judgment. Example: either you identify 18 out of 20 samples as being potentised homoeopathic dilutions, or you don't.

Who will decide this?


No, if you pass the test, you get the money.

Who will decide, the test is clear?
The test is constructed in an unambiguous way, and the JREf is not even a part of the test! It is performed by independent specialists who do not have a million dollar to lose.

Who is the specialist?


That is up to you. James Randi has already promised the prize to anybody who can distinguish homoeopathic dilutions from pure solvent.

Who will decide the prtocol?

Strangely, this most simple test of all has no takers! But you can suggest your own demonstration, keping in mind that you need to construct a protocol that will not involve judging. And admittedly, that can pose problems for a medical demosnttration.


As you see, the prize is winnable. Go get it!

And last, don't say, you cannot understand?

 

[Donks]

Who will decide this?
Who will decide, the test is clear?

Apparently "self-evident" is not part of your vocabulary. Too bad.

Who is the specialist?

Depends.

Who will decide the prtocol?

I see that "mutual agreement" is not part of your vocabulary either.

And last, don't say, you cannot understand?

Little troll boy, do you have anything interesting to say? Your little questions only make you look stupid. The JREF prize is clear and real. The MAS one is neither.

 

[steenkh]

Who will decide this?

Before the test is started, you and the JREF have to agree on this. It works like this: you propose what level of confidence you have, and the JREF decide if it is worth a million dollars. You have to be able to prove your claim with a very high certainty. Considering the claims that homoeopathy makes, you should have no problems with a high level of certainty!

Who will decide, the test is clear?

There is no judging. It will be obvious who has proved their point. This will also make it easier for you if you have to go to court afterwards, because no expert witness can will be able to cast doubt if you passed or not. As an example: if you claim that out 20 bottles, you can get 18 right when you try to tell which ones have homoeopathic remedy in them and which ones do not, there can be no doubt if you were right or wrong. Either there was remedy in those bottles or there was not, and either you got 18 right or you did not. There will be no panel of judges who will decide if that were 17 or 18 correct guesses.

Who is the specialist?

The JREF will appoint a representative who is independent in the sense that he or she will not have a million dollars out on a limb. You can be assured that the will be skeptics, or at least people who are not likely to be deceived by false claims. But if your claim is genuine, you should have no problem here. These persons will conduct the testing according to protocols that you will agree to before, but because the test must be made to be unambiguous, you need not worry if they will accept the results or not: they have to!

Who will decide the prtocol?

You will have to work out the protocol with the JREF and/or the specialist in advance. If you do not like it, you can simply quit.

As you see, the prize is winnable. Go get it!

Contrary to you, I do not believe in a health system that goes against the laws of nature as we understand them, so I have nothing to prove. But you have!

And last, don't say, you cannot understand?

I cannot understand what?