Is the density of iron a known quantity? Can a volume of what the truthers claim to be molten iron be estimated? If so, last I checked an approximation of the weight can be calculated. Now you know how to figure it out Apollo so if you have a better figure by all means show it to us all.
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The world famous chemist who published over 70
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Spud1k
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That has to be one of the most self-defeating arguments truthers have ever produced. Patents are specifically for ideas. If you can quote a 17-year-old patent but not be able to provide an example of a working prototype, let alone a useful and marketable product, it means that someone tried and failed to successfully apply that idea.
There are also patents for room-temperature superconductors and infinite energy devices, but it doesn't mean to say they exist.
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Indeed, I can find you a patent for any sort of woo you care to name! "Patent Medicine" really was patented! It was also snake oil.
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Example; Here is a game machine using Orgone Energy!
http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph...&co1=AND&d=PG01&s1=orgone&OS=orgone&RS=orgone
http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph...&co1=AND&d=PG01&s1=orgone&OS=orgone&RS=orgone
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Sorry ~enigma~ your estimate is way off, simply using contact heating on the surface of the steel and applying bottled oxygen or thermally degraded oxygen or even high pressure super heated steam with chemicals to dissolve the oxide scale would decrease the volume of thermite necessary.
I could probably do the job with 1/16 of that amount.
Until you know the device and the compounds used your only making rough uneducated guesses based on inaccurate data.
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Spud1k and BenBurch:
The thermite patent in question is a lot more that an idea! It has been demonstrated by Halcomb and Mohler , for example, and also by Japanese researchers. This type of boosted incendiary has also been discussed in various review articles on the chemistry of thermite ........ So please stop being typical JREF nay-sayers. If you really want to debunk truthers, you should first get your facts straight. But remember, you will not find everything you need to know on the internet!
The thermite patent in question is a lot more that an idea! It has been demonstrated by Halcomb and Mohler , for example, and also by Japanese researchers. This type of boosted incendiary has also been discussed in various review articles on the chemistry of thermite ........ So please stop being typical JREF nay-sayers. If you really want to debunk truthers, you should first get your facts straight. But remember, you will not find everything you need to know on the internet!
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Most people do not realize Apollo20, that steel is a fuel source if the ignition temperature can be reached and maintained, just as most truthers do not realize, that steel does not have to melt to fail.
My thermite fuse device utilizes very little thermite, it mostly uses oxygen, the problem is encasing the fuse in a solid layer of Fe304 if the layer has one hole in it the fuse is compromised, by the oxidant.
I dare not say more as I intend on patenting the device.
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Can you give us any links or references for that? Those would support your argument so much better than a decades-old patent. You're the one trying to make the point here and you shouldn't expect us to be all-knowing, just as much as you shouldn't expect us to take your claims at face value.
ETA: I've got access to most of the world's academic journals where I work, so if that's where the evidence resides, just give me a reference.
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BenBurch
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I was only addressing the idea that a patent makes a device workable.
Where may I buy one of these devices? Is there a catalog somewhere?
Where may I buy one of these devices? Is there a catalog somewhere?
Why are you lying? There was, of course, a massive investigation that involved 7,000 agents from the FBI alone.
I'm joking. You're lying because you're a conspiracy liar.
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http://www.thermolance.com/Thermolance_Oxygen_Lance/thermolance_oxygen_lance.htm
Basically your talking a thermolance placed on its side in contact with the steel, encased in a high temperature casing, the ratio of oxidant to thermite is 17 percent thermite 83 percent oxidant.
The 17 percent thermite includes the magnesium, aluminum and iron oxide, Fe304.
I can not say more as I am working on a patentable device, the oxidant I am using has to be chilled before usage for safety. The heat and light of the fuse degrades and pressurize the container, and coals the outer casing similar to how the fuel in a rocket engine cools the engine as it is being used.
The device if I get it perfected, basically make it safer could make me a Billionaire so please do not be surprised if I do not want to share all, however the principal is sound and a device can be made, the secret is to reduce the thermite the that solely necessary to reach the ignition temperature of the steel at a specific location and to rapidly initiate a oxidation reaction along the steels surface before the outer casing of the device is destroyed.
IN other words it can be done, is it easy, no!
Do I believe it was done in the World Trade Center on 9/11/2001, absolutely not.
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That seems pretty unambiguous. Although I'm sure some truther somewhere will try to argue that Implosion World are in on it. Either that or the government deliberately used an unusual technique so as to not arouse suspicion....
One more point ......
I too am NOT suggesting that the destruction of WTC 1 & 2 was a controlled demolition, but I have to say that arguments that claim that professional CD companies dont use thermite are really quite weak. Professional CDers are not trying to hide what they are doing!
If I was plotting a clandestine CD of a prominent building I would try to be very creative! I would use something that was NOT obvious; quite possibly it would be something that had never been used before; something, as Max Photon would say, that was ambiguous ........ thermite, ammonium perchlorate, ..... whatever .....
I too am NOT suggesting that the destruction of WTC 1 & 2 was a controlled demolition, but I have to say that arguments that claim that professional CD companies dont use thermite are really quite weak. Professional CDers are not trying to hide what they are doing!
If I was plotting a clandestine CD of a prominent building I would try to be very creative! I would use something that was NOT obvious; quite possibly it would be something that had never been used before; something, as Max Photon would say, that was ambiguous ........ thermite, ammonium perchlorate, ..... whatever .....
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Apollo, how did the planes crash into the buildings if they weren't hijacked ?
why crash planes into the buildings if they weren't enough to bring them down ?
why crash planes into the buildings if they weren't enough to bring them down ?
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I don't. At least, I don't consciously try to...
I was merely saying that on its own, a patent is a very weak way of proving something's feasibility. A patent only means that you've had a unique idea, it doesn't mean that it'll work, so if you want to claim that there is a way of using thermite for demolishing a skyscraper, you'll have to do better than that.
Ummm... for what? Are you asking me to prove a negative here?