There Will be Blood: Boston's Straight Pride Parade.

[halleyscomet]

You do realise the whole point of a parade is the number of people doing it and not the people who organised it via the internet.

I mean otherwise it would be called a "three or four people walking down the road"

Do you really not understand that politically motivated parades exist so like-minded people can get together and publicly demonstrate their shared ideologies?

Your defense of the Fragile Masculinity Parade marchers seems to be that they shouldn't be called racist because they might really just be too stupid and clueless to realize what they were marching in. As I pointed out in an earlier post, that's not a defense because it just makes them useful idiots for the racists.

You're reminding me of this incident:
Rush Limbaugh says Obama is targeting Christians by fighting Lord's Resistance Army

The best defense for Limbaugh was that he was just lazy in his fact-checking and didn't go beyond the name of the group being targeted. Similarly, the best defense for the Fragile Masculinity Parade participants was that they were just blithering idiots. It's like attending Dragon Con and being surprised that you're suddenly being associated sci-fi fans.

 

[Thermal]

It's also an excuse to get idiots and nazi-adjacent people to start asking "what's wrong with straight pride?" and "How can you say all the people in the march are Nazis?" on public forums, thus perpetuating the discussion and make their hate more opaque in the eyes of "enlightened centrists".

I would hope the fence sitters (if there are any left) would not be fooled by such a transparent pretense. Trump 2020 signs were everywhere, by all appearances outnumbering 'I **** women' signs. For god's sake, Milo was there in MAGAwear. Really, really hoping no one was fooled by Unite the Right 3.

 

[TurkeysGhost]

The Police should protect the anti-fascists and if they need to rough up anyone, let them rough up the Nazis.

Sure, the BPD should not have a culture of thuggery. Like many police departments, they are largely unaccountable in their wanton overuse of force.

So besides wishing that the cops weren't such oppressive thugs, what should the city of Boston done? These vile people have a right to assemble and march.

 

[ponderingturtle]

You seem to have missed my question

Let me give your theory a go.

Let us say every person on a straight gender pride parade is

Giant leap

Also racist? (doubtful, but for your benefit, let us say yes)

And clearly lots of people just wanted to unite the right and had nothing to do with the white supremacists organizers, so says you and Trump.

 

[uke2se]

Sure, the BPD should not have a culture of thuggery. Like many police departments, they are largely unaccountable in their wanton overuse of force.

So besides wishing that the cops weren't such oppressive thugs, what should the city of Boston done? These vile people have a right to assemble and march.

Besides the cops attacking the counter-protesters, I'd say the whole affair was a huge win for Antifa, so I have no other issue.

Let the Nazis march - as long as they aren't allowed to march past places like synagogues, mosques or near any schools. Allow the crowd to intimidate the **** out of the Nazis. Let the milkshakes fly. In the mean time, Antifa are identifying the participants for later doxing and shaming.

 

[Darat]

That's a bit uncharitable. There are still remnants of an older form of liberalism in this country in the mold of the Skokie era ACLU. The ACLU protected the 1A rights of literal Nazis marching through a town with many Holocaust survivors. It was a controversial decision and was a defining moment for the organization and how many viewed 1A rights.



Besides reining in the police who are too quick to crack heads, which is a broader police problem not exclusive to this protest, what should Boston have done differently that is consistent with protecting the first amendment? These turds have a right to have their little nazi love-in in the streets of Boston, the same as anyone else.

Strongly disagree. Anyone identifying as a Nazi is saying they want to kill millions of their fellow citizens, they wouldn't be identifying as a Nazi if they didn't. I can't see any sensible argument that a society needs to allow such speech.

 

[Darat]

I think there is a good point to be made for deplatforming these goons, but applying for a city permit to march is very different than doing the college circuit. There is a significant distinction.



What should these cities do when some neo-Nazi organization applies for a permit? What should Boston have done differently here once they received a properly completed application to march? Please be specific.

The nazis - arrested them and attempt to deradicalise them and if you can't, keep them away from the general public.

 

[uke2se]

The nazis - arrested them and attempt to deradicalise them and if you can't, keep them away from the general public.

Best solution.

 

[ponderingturtle]

Strongly disagree. Anyone identifying as a Nazi is saying they want to kill millions of their fellow citizens, they wouldn't be identifying as a Nazi if they didn't. I can't see any sensible argument that a society needs to allow such speech.

But those are basic political positions, mere genocide or exterminating the LGBT community is protected speech in the US. Right up until people do it then before it happened it magically morphs into incitement. See there is no way to know if speech is incitement before actions are taken, as the actions make the speech that caused them illegal.

So your death to all Jews march is legal, but if some of those involved get a bit carried away and start burning down synagogues then it was criminal all along.

 

[Thermal]

Strongly disagree. Anyone identifying as a Nazi is saying they want to kill millions of their fellow citizens, they wouldn't be identifying as a Nazi if they didn't. I can't see any sensible argument that a society needs to allow such speech.

Impossible, in your view then, to be a pro-life Democrat?

 

[Darat]

When the march is organized by neo Nazi, then it's a moot point.

Just using your post as a sounding post. Do we really need the "neo" prefix these days? Pretty much all the original Nazis are dead so there is no need to split Nazis into different groups these days, we aren't going to confuse a ninety year old in an old folks home for a 21 year old on a march. Adding neo in front of Nazi doesn't alter the ideology.

 

[Thermal]

The nazis - arrested them and attempt to deradicalise them and if you can't, keep them away from the general public.

Your solution is concentration camps?

 

[uke2se]

Your solution is concentration camps?

Guantanamo Bay?

Or just prison.

 

[Darat]

Impossible, in your view then, to be a pro-life Democrat?

What on earth has that got to do with Nazism?

 

[Darat]

Your solution is concentration camps?

In the UK we tend to use the term prisons for where we hold criminals. But if you want to call them concentration camps that's up to you. Albeit seems a tad strange to start using a new word for prisons when we have the word prisons.

 

[Thermal]

What on earth has that got to do with Nazism?

You claim that identifying with naziism means you must endorse genocide. I think, as many do, that the majority of these neo-nazi losers stop short of that sociopathic goal. Much like an American Democrat might not endorse every part of her party's platform, even a fundamental one.

 

[uke2se]

You claim that identifying with naziism means you must endorse genocide. I think, as many do, that the majority of these neo-nazi losers stop short of that sociopathic goal. Much like an American Democrat might not endorse every part of her party's platform, even a fundamental one.

You don't think a majority of neo-Nazis want genocide?

How do you think they aim to achieve a ethnic white state?

 

[Thermal]

In the UK we tend to use the term prisons for where we hold criminals. But if you want to call them concentration camps that's up to you. Albeit seems a tad strange to start using a new word for prisons when we have the word prisons.

Did the irony of your declaring that your political enemies be rounded up and put in camps slip by you?

 

[ponderingturtle]

You claim that identifying with naziism means you must endorse genocide. I think, as many do, that the majority of these neo-nazi losers stop short of that sociopathic goal. Much like an American Democrat might not endorse every part of her party's platform, even a fundamental one.

Like how few members of the national socialist workers party were actual nazis anyway. Many were fine people who supported the nazi party for perfectly fine reasons.

 

[TurkeysGhost]

Did the irony of your declaring that your political enemies be rounded up and put in camps slip by you?

Don't worry, it could never backfire. We'll put someone trustworthy in charge of making that decision. Maybe AG Barr could decide who's committing political crimes.