There Will be Blood: Boston's Straight Pride Parade.

[Mumbles]

And as much as I despise the alt right, if they don't break the law they have as much right to demonstrate as the next person.
I know this an opinion that is not popular here. Distrubed that so many supposed skeptics seem to dislike freedom of speech.

Actually, it's very popular, so long as counterprotestors are allowed the same rights. The problems are two-fold

1) in this case, the violent group were the police, as video linked above shows;

2) Given the opportunity, the alt-right invariably turns violent, as seen in Portland, Charolettesville VA, NYC, the Emmanuel Baptist Church, Christchurch NZ, El Paso TX, and so forth. And since police often allow this to happen, the solution is still to simply outnumber them - turns out they're pretty cowardly in public "marches" such as this.

 

[Arisia]

The prosecutors were not pressing charges on the non-violent protesters, most local media are reporting it as the DA accusing the judge of overreach.

 

[ponderingturtle]

Actually quite a few DA's decline to prosecute in these kind of cases. The idea to get the demonstrartors resorting to violence off the streets for a few hourse until things calm down.

Yes it is only the cops who should be on the street enjoying the violence.

 

[ponderingturtle]

And as much as I despise the alt right, if they don't break the law they have as much right to demonstrate as the next person.
I know this an opinion that is not popular here. Distrubed that so many supposed skeptics seem to dislike freedom of speech.

And yet we never get proper pro ISIS parades like we should be seeing in america. It is only politically acceptable kinds of encouraging genocide that are OK. The ones that twitter can't filter for because it catches to many republican politicians to be politically correct to filter against.

 

[ponderingturtle]

Except, again, the counterprotests weren't violent - the cops were just randomly attacking and arresting people. This is why the DA is refusing to prosecute most of the charges, even when the police are alleging that they were violently attacked. When there's an extended video of the people involved clearly just standing around when a cop just starts shoving a bicycle into them and knocking them over, and then arresting them because "THEY WOULDN"T CLEAR THE AREA!", when no such instruction was given, the case is over.

But cops shouldn't need to give actual orders for them to be obeyed! It would be like not opening fire when they see a black person with a toy gun, totally at odds with accepted standards of policing.

 

[TurkeysGhost]

And yet we never get proper pro ISIS parades like we should be seeing in america. It is only politically acceptable kinds of encouraging genocide that are OK. The ones that twitter can't filter for because it catches to many republican politicians to be politically correct to filter against.

That's a bit uncharitable. There are still remnants of an older form of liberalism in this country in the mold of the Skokie era ACLU. The ACLU protected the 1A rights of literal Nazis marching through a town with many Holocaust survivors. It was a controversial decision and was a defining moment for the organization and how many viewed 1A rights.

Besides reining in the police who are too quick to crack heads, which is a broader police problem not exclusive to this protest, what should Boston have done differently that is consistent with protecting the first amendment? These turds have a right to have their little nazi love-in in the streets of Boston, the same as anyone else.

 

[dann]

Which is why I think the best tactic is to let the alt right fools display their idiocy to the world. Violent counter protests just play into their hands. But too many on the left seems to have a "this is the way we did it in the Sixties, so this is the way we will do it now" mentality.

I don't think that most of those counter protesters had been born in the 1960s. That they also weren't violent doesn't seem to bother you, but I've seen you get upset before when it was pointed out to you that alleged Marx quotations extolling violence were made up by right-wing extremists.

 

[ponderingturtle]

That's a bit uncharitable. There are still remnants of an older form of liberalism in this country in the mold of the Skokie era ACLU. The ACLU protected the 1A rights of literal Nazis marching through a town with many Holocaust survivors. It was a controversial decision and was a defining moment for the organization and how many viewed 1A rights.

Look what other groups advocating genocide get people bending over backwards to support them? Only those with such broad support as shown by how much fox news loves them and their deep ties to the republican establishment. Nazis are simply to american and popular to be viewed in the same regard as truly unpopular speech.

Where are the hundreds of thousands of dollars in protection for pro ISIS speakers at colleges in the name of free speech? No where because it is only popular speech like nazism that gets that protection.

 

[TurkeysGhost]

Look what other groups advocating genocide get people bending over backwards to support them? Only those with such broad support as shown by how much fox news loves them and their deep ties to the republican establishment. Nazis are simply to american and popular to be viewed in the same regard as truly unpopular speech.

Where are the hundreds of thousands of dollars in protection for pro ISIS speakers at colleges in the name of free speech? No where because it is only popular speech like nazism that gets that protection.

I think there is a good point to be made for deplatforming these goons, but applying for a city permit to march is very different than doing the college circuit. There is a significant distinction.

What should these cities do when some neo-Nazi organization applies for a permit? What should Boston have done differently here once they received a properly completed application to march? Please be specific.

 

[uke2se]

I think there is a good point to be made for deplatforming these goons, but applying for a city permit to march is very different than doing the college circuit. There is a significant distinction.

What should these cities do when some neo-Nazi organization applies for a permit? What should Boston have done differently here once they received a properly completed application to march? Please be specific.

The Police should protect the anti-fascists and if they need to rough up anyone, let them rough up the Nazis.

 

[cullennz]

Look what other groups advocating genocide get people bending over backwards to support them? Only those with such broad support as shown by how much fox news loves them and their deep ties to the republican establishment. Nazis are simply to american and popular to be viewed in the same regard as truly unpopular speech.

Where are the hundreds of thousands of dollars in protection for pro ISIS speakers at colleges in the name of free speech? No where because it is only popular speech like nazism that gets that protection.

I would be interested to know how you get from a bunch of, probably in the majority lonely thick dudes joining some stupid straight march, some idiots had organised to wind up the left, automatically means they are advocating genocide.

You do understand the differences in concept of genocide and idiots disagreeing with gay relationships?

I am fine to explain, if it helps

 

[ponderingturtle]

The Police should protect the anti-fascists and if they need to rough up anyone, let them rough up the Nazis.

Why are they going to attack their buddies?

 

[ponderingturtle]

I would be interested to know how you get from a bunch of, probably in the majority lonely thick dudes joining some stupid straight march, some idiots had organised to wind up the left, automatically means they are advocating genocide.

Yes yes yes, lots of people attend events organized by explicit white supremacists and never realized that, I am sure you find yourself at such events all the time. Though it is nice to see someone agree with Trump that at Charlottesville there were good people on both sides.

But I am sure it is the peaceful good kind of ethnic cleansing they are for.

 

[jimbob]

I would be interested to know how you get from a bunch of, probably in the majority lonely thick dudes joining some stupid straight march, some idiots had organised to wind up the left, automatically means they are advocating genocide.

You do understand the differences in concept of genocide and idiots disagreeing with gay relationships?

I am fine to explain, if it helps

When the march is organized by neo Nazi, then it's a moot point.

 

[halleyscomet]

I would be interested to know how you get from a bunch of, probably in the majority lonely thick dudes joining some stupid straight march, some idiots had organised to wind up the left, automatically means they are advocating genocide.

You do understand the differences in concept of genocide and idiots disagreeing with gay relationships?

I am fine to explain, if it helps

You are looking at the march in isolation. The people referring to them as genocidal, racist, Nazis are looking at the publicly available information on the infected snozzberry pustules who organized the event.

You are implying the full statement is, "These people are Nazis because they attended the straight pride march," when in fact the full statement is, "Known Nazis and genocidal white supremacists ran a so-called 'straight pride' march and sympathetic ******** joined them."

 

[cullennz]

Yes yes yes, lots of people attend events organized by explicit white supremacists and never realized that, I am sure you find yourself at such events all the time. Though it is nice to see someone agree with Trump that at Charlottesville there were good people on both sides.

But I am sure it is the peaceful good kind of ethnic cleansing they are for.

You seem to have missed my question

Let me give your theory a go.

Let us say every person on a straight gender pride parade is

Giant leap

Also racist? (doubtful, but for your benefit, let us say yes)

Giantest leap known to man leap

Also wanting genocide?

We go from a bunch of homophobes, to racist, to wanting to kill all black people in three steps.

Personally I find your view dumber than theirs and that is saying something given how dumb theirs is.

Again

I can explain what genocide means if needed

 

[halleyscomet]

You seem to have missed my question

Let me give your theory a go.

Let us say every person on a straight gender pride parade is

Giant leap

Also racist? (doubtful, but for your benefit, let us say yes)

Giantest leap known to man leap

Also wanting genocide?

We go from a bunch of homophobes, to racist, to wanting to kill all black people in three steps.

Personally I find your view dumber than theirs and that is saying something given how dumb theirs is.

Again

I can explain what genocide means if needed

You have the logic backwards.

I do not assert the Fragile Masculinity Parade marchers are racist, genocidal, Nazis because they attended the parade.

I assert that the Fragile Masculinity Parade was an event for racist, genocidal, Nazis because it was ORGANIZED and largely ATTENDED by the associates of KNOWN racist, genocidal, Nazis.

You're pretending the only thing we know about these dingleberries is their attendance at the parade. This very thread is rich with links to information about the people who ran this.

 

[cullennz]

You have the logic backwards.

I do not assert the Fragile Masculinity Parade marchers are racist, genocidal, Nazis because they attended the parade.

I assert that the Fragile Masculinity Parade was an event for racist, genocidal, Nazis because it was ORGANIZED and largely ATTENDED by the associates of KNOWN racist, genocidal, Nazis.

You're pretending the only thing we know about these dingleberries is their attendance at the parade. This very thread is rich with links to information about the people who ran this.

You do realise the whole point of a parade is the number of people doing it and not the people who organised it via the internet.

I mean otherwise it would be called a "three or four people walking down the road"

 

[Thermal]

You do realise the whole point of a parade is the number of people doing it and not the people who organised it via the internet.

I mean otherwise it would be called a "three or four people walking down the road"

Yeah, but most of the attendees don't care specifically about pride in heterodom. They cared about the excuse to rile up their opponents by indirect gay-bashing.

Look at the paraders. See any guys walking their female partners in the wheelbarrow position down the street? They don't care about straightness. It is simply a dog-whistle for the bashers to unite under a cheap pretense.

 

[uke2se]

Yeah, but most of the attendees don't care specifically about pride in heterodom. They cared about the excuse to rile up their opponents by indirect gay-bashing.

Look at the paraders. See any guys walking their female partners in the wheelbarrow position down the street? They don't care about straightness. It is simply a dog-whistle for the bashers to unite under a cheap pretense.

It's also an excuse to get idiots and nazi-adjacent people to start asking "what's wrong with straight pride?" and "How can you say all the people in the march are Nazis?" on public forums, thus perpetuating the discussion and make their hate more opaque in the eyes of "enlightened centrists".