There Will be Blood: Boston's Straight Pride Parade.

[The Don]

Which logically would mean you think every one who voted for Trump not first finding out what a racist, misogynistic scumbag he is, should be labelled a racist, misogynistic scumbag.

Or does your rule vary?

Who organised the march was well known ahead of time so pretending to be surprised isn't a valid defence IMO.

Regarding President Trump, my personal view is that a significant proportion of people voted for him simply because he was the Republican candidate. I don't think there is a corresponding default position for taking part in the march.

IMO anyone still supporting President Trump and the GOP is a racist misogynist on the grounds that GOP policy is both of those things - and I'd add a side order of scientifically illiterate as well.

 

[cullennz]

Who organised the march was well known ahead of time so pretending to be surprised isn't a valid defence IMO.

Regarding President Trump, my personal view is that a significant proportion of people voted for him simply because he was the Republican candidate. I don't think there is a corresponding default position for taking part in the march.

IMO anyone still supporting President Trump and the GOP is a racist misogynist on the grounds that GOP policy is both of those things - and I'd add a side order of scientifically illiterate as well.

Fair enough

Personally think a lot of people don't actually think spend any real effort checking out who the people are that do these things or especially politics.

I am sure there is a load who heard about it and don't have a clue who ran it.

Just "Sick of these Goddam' gay folks!"

Same with Trump

There will be a load of voters who will vote for him again that haven't seen what a prat he is. As they all just watch fox.

And he will win again

But this doesn't mean all the people who vote for him next time are racist, misogynistic scumbags.

They are just ignorant

 

[The Don]

Fair enough

Personally think a lot of people don't actually think spend any real effort checking out who the people are that do these things or especially politics.

I am sure there is a load who heard about it and don't have a clue who ran it.

Just "Sick of these Goddam' gay folks!"

Same with Trump

There will be a load of voters who will vote for him again that haven't seen what a prat he is. As they all just watch fox.

And he will win again

But this doesn't mean all the people who vote for him next time are racist, misogynistic scumbags.

They are just ignorant

Yes, that's your opinion.

Mine is that there is a point where there is no longer plausible deniability. W.r.t. President Trump and the whole GOP, that point passed a long time ago.

 

[cullennz]

Yes, that's your opinion.

Mine is that there is a point where there is no longer plausible deniability. W.r.t. President Trump and the whole GOP, that point passed a long time ago.

I think you are in for a bit of massive disappointment and a lot of resentment of half of Americans then.

But at least you get to call even more people Nazis

 

[The Don]

I think you are in for a bit of massive disappointment and a lot of resentment of half of Americans then.

But at least you get to call even more people Nazis

They're not Nazis, they're "only" racists and/or misogynists and finding out that the 25% or thereabouts of Americans who vote for the reelection of President Trump are racists and/or misogynists is neither surprising nor disappointing.


edited to add.....

Which isn't to say that none of the 75% who either don't bother to vote or who vote for another candidate are racists and/or misogynists.

 

[dann]

Fair enough

Personally think a lot of people don't actually think spend any real effort checking out who the people are that do these things or especially politics.

I am sure there is a load who heard about it and don't have a clue who ran it. Just "Sick of these Goddam' gay folks!"

Yes, it's possible that a few of the people (you can't really describe the minuscule rally as "a load") at the shiny happy people rally were extremely ignorant homophobes and not actual Nazis. (It's also possible that the guys in the clownsuit and the dinosuit were trolling the Nazis.)

Same with Trump

There will be a load of voters who will vote for him again that haven't seen what a prat he is. As they all just watch fox.

And he will win again

But this doesn't mean all the people who vote for him next time are racist, misogynistic scumbags.

They are just ignorant

If they have a TV or internet access, they can't be ignorant about Trump's racism and misogynism.

 

[Arisia]

There was one woman quoted who was at the parade/rally to support her right to raise her son to be heterosexual and marry a woman when he grows up...

I'm thinking karma might have a surprise for her someday.

 

[dann]

Are you thinking of the possibility that her son might turn out to be gay? Or become an incel?
He might also become a trans woman. I don't know what she would consider to be worse in that case: if s/he married a woman or a man!

 

[Archie Gemmill Goal]

There was one woman.

Well judging by the photos there certainly wasn't more than one!

 

[cullennz]

Yes, it's possible that a few of the people (you can't really describe the minuscule rally as "a load") at the shiny happy people rally were extremely ignorant homophobes and not actual Nazis. (It's also possible that the guys in the clownsuit and the dinosuit were trolling the Nazis.)




If they have a TV or internet access, they can't be ignorant about Trump's racism and misogynism.

If that is what you think fair enough.

Disagree, but all good

 

[uke2se]

How do you raise someone to be straight?

 

[ponderingturtle]

I was assuming that not everyone on it has that close a connection to the organisers.

But if you want to go that route

Does this mean every person protesting these things is a violent ANTIFA thug equivalent

Yes lots of people who are not nazis go to nazi organized events, like the Unite the Right marches. Many fine people there despite it being organized by nazis.

 

[ponderingturtle]

Fair enough

Personally think a lot of people don't actually think spend any real effort checking out who the people are that do these things or especially politics.

I am sure there is a load who heard about it and don't have a clue who ran it.

Just "Sick of these Goddam' gay folks!"

Same with Trump

There will be a load of voters who will vote for him again that haven't seen what a prat he is. As they all just watch fox.

And he will win again

But this doesn't mean all the people who vote for him next time are racist, misogynistic scumbags.

They are just ignorant

Yes it is like calling every member of the German National Socialist Workers Party a Nazi when they are clearly all members for a large variety of reasons.

 

[ponderingturtle]

How do you raise someone to be straight?

Beat the gay out of them of course.

 

[catsmate]

Thank you for today's learning experience.

You're welcome. A great-uncle of mine was there. He brought a cargo hook with him.

 

[Mumbles]

Boston 'straight pride' parade dwarfed by large counter-protest (Guardian, Sep. 1, 2019)

'Straight Pride' parade in Boston draws counterprotesters (CNN, Sep. 1, 2019)

Boston ‘Straight Pride’ parade draws ‘oppressed majority,’ counter-protesters (Times of Israel, Sep. 1, 2019)

WCVB Channel 5 Boston: Aerial images: Controversial straight pride parade (Aug. 31, 2019)

As I said...the response was prepared, it was ready both for the rally and the police's sometimes violent protection of it.

 

[jimbob]

How do you raise someone to be straight?

A good religious upbringing like Ted Haggard.

 

[TurkeysGhost]

For reasons totally unknowable, Boston's fascist demonstration didn't turn into a morass of street fighting like the many times in Portland. Boston will remain an uninteresting target for rabble-rousers because these demonstrations tend to be tedious affairs.

 

[Thermal]

For reasons totally unknowable, Boston's fascist demonstration didn't turn into a morass of street fighting like the many times in Portland. Boston will remain an uninteresting target for rabble-rousers because these demonstrations tend to be tedious affairs.

*colonists throwing cases of tea into the harbor glance up*

 

[halleyscomet]

Idiots doing a pointless march about being sexually straight to troll the left makes them Nazis?

The bar for being a Nazi seems to have gone down significantly.

Trouble for the left is they tend to always fall for and react to trolling.

This event is not in and of itself enough to justify calling them Nazis. The organizers themselves however have a long history with the more toxic aspects of the alt-right community. For example:

https://www.vox.com/identities/2019/7/1/18761623/straight-pride

As ThinkProgress was the first to report, Mark Sahady — one of three men credited with organizing the event — has ties to the New Hampshire American Guard and the Massachusetts Patriot Front, both of which the American Defamation League defines as a white supremacist groups. He also has connections to the Proud Boys, the group that was responsible for violently beating a man who stole one of their MAGA hats on the streets of New York City in October 2018. The mob called him a “faggot,” threw him to the ground, and kicked him repeatedly.

Sahady’s co-organizer, Hugo, was backed by the “alt-lite” group Resist Marxism during his unsuccessful run for Massachusetts’ Fifth Congressional District last year.

While not necessarily Nazis in the literal, "They call themselves that" sense the event was organized by people who are players in groups who are ideologically aligned with most American Nazi groups. While calling them "Nazis" is a tad hyperbolic, it's a perfectly justifiable shorthand for describing their actual politics.

I was assuming that not everyone on it has that close a connection to the organisers(sic).

I'd say that's a rather large assumption given how small the parade was. "A few hundred" isn't that big, especially for an event that's been getting this much national attention for as long as it has. The politics of the organizers have been at the forefront of a lot of that coverage. Anyone who marched in that parade either knew exactly who they were aligning themselves with or are so profoundly clueless and ignorant that they're among the sort who will happily go along with a totalitarian government as long as it says it hates the same people they do and shouts "Praise Jesus" every now and then.

If you want to be pedantic about it, we could call the marchers "Nazis, Nazi-sympathizers and useful idiots."