There go the Europeans again

Elind

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Dutch troops are expected to withdraw by March 15, after the country's parliament opposed any further extension of the deployment mandate, the Lib Dems said.

The new Ukrainian government is expected to reduce the size of its 1,600-strong military force, and Poland is cutting its contingent from 2,400 troops to 1,700. Hungary withdrew its 300 soldiers last month.

Portugal announced in November that it would not maintain its 120-strong police contingent in Iraq next month.

Italy and Romania have also indicated that they may pull out after the elections, the Lib Dems said.

I suppose they say that IF a few WMDs had been found they would now be adding forces to help Iraq? Bull.

Remind me never to count on Europeans in a pinch; and I trust the Iraqis will also remember a few years from now when same hypocrits try to send their salesmen back.
 
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Ah, I wouldn't worry too much about countries pulling out troops. After all, Bush announced that combat operations had ended in Iraq long ago.
 
KelvinG said:
Ah, I wouldn't worry too much about countries pulling out troops. After all, Bush announced that combat operations had ended in Iraq long ago.
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So it will be easy to show a link quoting him saying precisely that, right?
 
NoZed Avenger said:
Perhaps I was not clear.

Do you have a link showing he said precisely that?
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I don't really think it matters. Bush did say something to the effect that major combat was over, and that was true in a military sense.

You are just being baited on this issue, which is irrelevant to the subject at hand.
 
Elind said:
I don't really think it matters. Bush did say something to the effect that major combat was over, and that was true in a military sense.

You are just being baited on this issue, which is irrelevant to the subject at hand.
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So, your interpretation of a banner constitutes evidence. That, coupled with some vague but uncited memory of something to that effect possibly being intimated at some stage under some circumstances. Allegedly.

Funny, around these here parts we call that putting words into someone's mouth.
 
Jocko said:
So, your interpretation of a banner constitutes evidence. That, coupled with some vague but uncited memory of something to that effect possibly being intimated at some stage under some circumstances. Allegedly.

Funny, around these here parts we call that putting words into someone's mouth.
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I think you're responding to a quote about a quote and have yourself turned the wrong way. I suggest starting at the top in this case.
 
From the US Today Archives of 30 April 2003. While not proof that President Bush said those exact words, it does indicate that the thought was there.

The White House has asked TV networks to carry Bush's remarks at 9 p.m. ET. He'll speak from the aircraft carrier USS Abraham Lincoln as it heads toward San Diego. The carrier has been deployed since July 20, 2002. Bush will sleep on the ship and fly ashore Friday before it docks. (Related item: President's jet plans are nixed.)

The president will describe "what was at stake, what has been accomplished" in Iraq "so we can all join together in saying thanks to the men and women of our armed forces who helped achieve this remarkable success," White House spokesman Ari Fleischer said.

Bush will say "major combat operations" have ended, Fleischer said, but "there are pockets of resistance, there continue to be Iraqis who shoot at America's armed forces." Fleischer said he could not predict "when, from a formal legal sense, hostilities will be deemed to be over."
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Edited to add: Ah, I see, it would appear that we are debating the use of the word "major", as in 'major combat operations' (which Bush did say) vs. 'combat operations', which he did not.

I will leave it to the rest to dance on the head of this pin.
 
Hutch said:
From the US Today Archives of 30 April 2003. While not proof that President Bush said those exact words, it does indicate that the thought was there.
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Thanks for the clarification. The thought and the meaning seem quite clear, now and then, so perhaps this little slanging diversion can now be put to rest?
 
Elind said:
I suppose they say that IF a few WMDs had been found they would now be adding forces to help Iraq? Bull.

Remind me never to count on Europeans in a pinch; and I trust the Iraqis will also remember a few years from now when same hypocrits try to send their salesmen back.
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The Europeans did the job they signed up for, but the fact is they were fed a pack of likes about the reasons for the war. Now America has re-elected the retard who took them into Iraq on false pretences, and Bush voters arrogantly proclaim they couldn't care less about Europe's opinion on the matter, can you really blame them for packing up and going home?
 
There Goes My Girlfriend Again....

So, a month ago I told my girlfriend that we should go to the beach for the weekend. "Come on," I said, "It'll be fun! We'll sleep in, wade around in the surf, and eat horribly unhealthy food while wearing very little in the sun! The trip isn't that long, and it's well worth the effort!"

"That doesn't sound like a bad idea," she said, "but isn't the beach 1,000 miles away, and isn't it a mine field?"

"No!" I said "That's ludicrous nonsense. Don't you trust me?"

"Well," she said "I suppose I'll go, just for a little".

So we got in the car and started driving. Now, the first day or so she was mostly quiet and helped me out, but the second day was something different. "Didn't you say it was a short trip?" she asked, "Didn't you say we'd get there hours ago?"

"Don't worry," I said, "The turnoff is right ahead."
"OK," she said, "but I'm having my doubts about this."

Three days of driving later she really started getting on my nerves.

"Why aren't we there yet?" she complained, "The weekend is over and I have work I need to do. Can we turn around and go back? I'm wearing clothes that haven't been washed in days!"

"Now now," I told her, "You committed yourself to this and we have to see it through. Don't get faint hearted! The beach is only a few miles away, and once we get there we'll have a great weekend."

When we finally arrived at the beach it turned out to be covered in mines. "Wow," I said, "I didn't expect that."

"What are you talking about?" She yelled, "Everyone including me told you that!"

"Let's not be revisionist about this dear," I said, calming her down, "Everyone thought the beach would be nice -- no one had any idea about these mines. Now, put on your protective gear and let's get to work digging out these mines and clearing the beach."

And now, just today, she's announced she wants to go home -- and we're only days away from having the nice holiday we planned to!

I'm starting to think I should break up with her - she's just not reliable.
 
Re: Re: There go the Europeans again

Ian Osborne said:
The Europeans did the job they signed up for, but the fact is they were fed a pack of likes about the reasons for the war. Now America has re-elected the retard who took them into Iraq on false pretences, and Bush voters arrogantly proclaim they couldn't care less about Europe's opinion on the matter, can you really blame them for packing up and going home?
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Bull. They (some of them) did the absolute minimum they could get away with. They believed the same info that the US did and they have no regard for larger issues, no concern for "petty" things like encouraging democracy, are perfectly happy to live with any dictatorships as long as it's profitable, and in the end behave like prissy little brats, like you.
 
Re: There Goes My Girlfriend Again....

Eleatic Stranger said:
So, a month ago I told my girlfriend that we should go to the beach for the weekend. "Come on," I said, "It'll be fun! We'll sleep in, wade around in the surf, and eat horribly unhealthy food while wearing very little in the sun! The trip isn't that long, and it's well worth the effort!"............
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Childish analogy and typical of those who can't face realities if they get difficult.
 
So, Elind, because you were fooled by what were, frankly, dubious claims by the current administration then everybody was fooled. And because you think by means of slogans ("bringing democracy!") instead of carefully considered plans, so does everyone else. And because some of those other people (ie, the vast majority of the rest of the world) is now refusing to subsidize your delusions to even the limited extent that they used to they're now cowardly jerks?

Your world must be a wonderful, brightly colored place.
 
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