ThePentaCON releases trailer

I think I see the problem here.
So to summarise your case:

Four witnesses claim they saw a plane they believe to have been flight 77 fly north of the Citgo station and hit the Pentagon.
Ten witnesses claim they saw a plane they believe to have been flight 77 either knock down the light poles, or (in one case) follow a trajectory consistent with knocking down the flight poles, and hit the Pentagon.
Over a hundred other witnesses claim they saw a plane they believe to have been flight 77 hit the Pentagon.
Two further witnesses claim they saw a plane too small to be flight 77 hit the Pentagon.
Therefore flight 77 flew north of the Citgo station and did not hit the Pentagon.

Well, you certainly convinced me.

Dave

Well said, Bravo!

I love, the no one else saw, the lightpoles hit... BS! The direct question was not asked, they were just giving a quick eyewit account! I am gonna go back, and ask 2000 people the question! Guess how many saw it then? Bring that weak ass sh#$!

Lyte bright boy, I live in Venice let's meet up!
 
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Russell Pickerings post to Lyte at LCF


You are amazing to say the least.

So you are discarding the FDR data? It indicates the aircraft had a straight flight path for around a mile and a half prior to the building.

"Smooth bank"???? Do you realize a plane going anywhere near 500 mph and turning at that radius is not "smooth"? How many yards is it from the Citgo to the Pentagon? What is the degree of bank required?

You have 3 witness who were under a canopy with a different version of the flight path than the majority of other witnesses, and just that single part of their testimony is what you accept and deem more truthful and accurate than every other testimony?? Including the fact that NONE of them saw or even believe the plane flew over the Pentagon?

Why didn't Lagasse go out from under the canopy towards the North? What makes his statement true now in light of the blatant contradictions and well documented (one recorded) statements he made earlier.

Can you please show us in the Citgo video the actions of the witness to collaborate his story? How fast did he run to the mound? In the video it appears he runs into the store? Does anything stand from his first interview?

How come everybody went out the South door? Even the manager walked right past the north door to go out the south door. Has the Citgo video been altered by the government?

Will ANYTHING in 3 dimensional reality correspond to the small segment of the statements of three witnesses under a canopy that you choose to define as absolute truth in the face of literally everything else?

"Military precision"? Missing the intended mechanical damage path is precise? It looks like they just whipped in there confused and did high speed banks helter skelter until the pyrotechnics went off huh? Was the plane humanly piloted? Was it remote? If they had everything so coordinated with fake poles and torn down fences - how in the hell did the plane zig-zag all over and miss the mechanical damage path?

You will ignore ALL of reality, physics, human nature, FDR data, and other witnesses for a portion of a couple of statements? Why?

I swear you HAVE to be able to be somewhat objective here. Can't you step outside yourself far enough to see what you're doing?

When I watched you guys bending reality in person conjuring up black operations for everything that didn't agree with you - I saw where this was going. When your partner tipped over and the forums melted down - it was clear what the motives were. But I do have to admit your dissociation from reality has exceeded what I thought possible.

Now we have "brother" sites and two new films in the mix with no regard for reality or truthfulness.

Seriously consider that this manipulated departure from the other 98% of the evidence for self motivation may in fact be one of the greatest diversions of the real truth of what happened at the Pentagon. Ego is a blinding force - but spreading this as gospel and irrefutable instead of adding it to the body of evidence truthfully and honestly is .........

Please try and go back in your mind to months before when your partner was obsessed with a flyover prior to any of this. Remember then Lagasses was a liar with a script - look at the attacks and personal dispute that motivated you guys to "rule". Think about what you have had to overlook to make your big film debut. Then remember all of this for the future.

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Including the fact that NONE of them saw or even believe the plane flew over the Pentagon?

So, in fact Lyte DOESN'T seem to have any witnesses that support his theory. I hope he refers to these people by name so we can add them to the list of all the people who are gonna sue these guys.
 

You said it alright! Russell might you have the time to explain how you got involved with all this? Did Lyte and Merc ask for your assistance and then the three of you went to DC and shot this movie?

How did Lyte find these new witnessess after five years? I'm under the impression that you agreed with Lyte and Merc initially, but now you don't?

Thanks.
 
So, in fact Lyte DOESN'T seem to have any witnesses that support his theory. I hope he refers to these people by name so we can add them to the list of all the people who are gonna sue these guys.

Since when would a little detail like that stop a good CT movie being made? Look what the CTers did to poor Van Romero. He's probably STILL not rid of his "albatross".

So... how many people are on the "going-to-sue-Lyte" list?
 
Wow, Russell is really ripping Lyte a new one over there! I think Lyte went off to cry.
 
You said it alright! Russell might you have the time to explain how you got involved with all this? Did Lyte and Merc ask for your assistance and then the three of you went to DC and shot this movie?

How did Lyte find these new witnessess after five years? I'm under the impression that you agreed with Lyte and Merc initially, but now you don't?

Thanks.

Pretty much since I met Merc I understood the evidence for a 757 hitting the Pentagon. I tried to create a agree to disagree disposition with him.

I was invited by Dylan to DC.

The Citgo witness was indirectly introduced to them when I had introduced them to the manager of the Citgo. I had spoke to the Citgo witness months prior about the videos and he never mentioned being an eyewitness to me then. He just told me when to call back and catch the manager.

Since day one I disagreed with Lyte, his "techniques" and manners.

After Merc tipped over it was impossible to relate to him any further.

The mess created here was obvious from the beginning of the trip. Then the rest just flowed with the other chaos created by their "brothers" in "truth".

I know it irriates them to no end that their creative license is mitigated by somebody who actually witnessed all of these events and can account for them in the 3 dimensional world.
 
I just wish they would release the thing so we can have the witnesses come forward and correct them, debunk all their claims, and put it to rest.
 
Thanks for the info Russell. It seems as if the making of the movie would be a more intresting movie than the actual movie itself!
 
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So Lyte you are calling him a liar but not attacking his character?
Do you think that when Mike Walter reads that he is going to be happy?

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Mike Walter is very aware of Lyte and this project. I won't speak for Mike but will say his response will not end in a life long friendship.
 
Pretty much since I met Merc I understood the evidence for a 757 hitting the Pentagon. I tried to create a agree to disagree disposition with him.

I was invited by Dylan to DC.

The Citgo witness was indirectly introduced to them when I had introduced them to the manager of the Citgo. I had spoke to the Citgo witness months prior about the videos and he never mentioned being an eyewitness to me then. He just told me when to call back and catch the manager.

Since day one I disagreed with Lyte, his "techniques" and manners.

After Merc tipped over it was impossible to relate to him any further.

The mess created here was obvious from the beginning of the trip. Then the rest just flowed with the other chaos created by their "brothers" in "truth".

I know it irriates them to no end that their creative license is mitigated by somebody who actually witnessed all of these events and can account for them in the 3 dimensional world.

It is funny seeing a truther bash a truther. Your shoddy research is right up there for misleading others too. You just seem to be nice about it as you mislead other with your shoddy research.

Examples of RP's shoddy research.

Hani Hanjour was denied the rental of a Cessna 172 after evaluation by a certified flight instructor 3 ½ weeks prior to 9/11 because of poor flying skills.
TRUTH IS – Anyone could fly a 767/757 and hit a building, you are misleading people on this one- I am an expert pilot type better than JDX. Ask any pilot. Plus this terrorist actually had an FAA license. Plus the flight instructor who said he was having problems landing said this would no be a problem, as shown on 9/11, of Hani hitting the Pentagon. Why is your research so shoddy Russell?


…conflicts with the statement that the transponder was turned off. Primary radar alone does not detect altitude.
Truth is – anyone who can do real research knows ever since WWII primary radars can be used to determined altitude. As was done with data from radars on 9/11. Too bad Russell is a shoddy researcher and has to mislead others making this a lie.

How was he able to navigate from the Ohio/Kentucky border and locate the Pentagon despite never having flown a 757-200?
Truth is – he was a licensed pilot, he used a VOR, 111.0 frequency in a box on board 77 and it pointed to the airport 1 mile from the Pentagon, it showed the distance. It did not log on right away so he flew east! Oops which way would Russell fly if he was west of DC? Questions? More shoddy research.

There are hundreds of misleading junk on Russell's site and he does not care about the truth or anyone else but his own biased delusional goals.

How did he perform a 270 degree turn with a 7000 foot altitude drop with military precision and bring the aircraft under control to remain just off the lawn, yet place a 12 foot diameter fuselage between floors 1 and 2 of the Pentagon which is only 14 feet?
Truth is – that was a sloppy new guy turn for a pilot but very easy and simple. No pilot skill was needed or shown by the 7000 foot drop, but it was not exactly 7000 feet until he hit the Pentagon. Only a dolt would think the terrorist hit on purpose that point. The terrorist hit the Pentagon. Who could miss the one time largest office building in the world.

CONCLUSION: The FBI controlled every aspect of the Pentagon incident from start to finish. They still control it with total secrecy. What about the media and free speech? Why no accident report on the crash?
Truth is – This was not an accident. Only a dolt would not understand in this misleading junk on Russell's web site. Yes, the FBI is the investigation lead when someone breaks Federal Regulations and on purpose crashes a plane into the Pentagon. There is no ACCIDENT to report on. Shoddy research.

So can we all answer this easy question? Why no accident report on the crash? Because it was done on purpose Russell, it was a terrorist act, not an airplane accident.

Russel Pickering's web site is just one misleading statement after another.

Very funny, Russel Pickering is correcting the fringe truther when he is just a shoddy research truther.

Funny?
 
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I hope that felt good.

Maybe a nap and a smoke?

Or you could read the disclaimer on my site and inquire as to the nature of my future goals with it - but that would be honest!
 
Can I qualify for the million dollar award with this?

In any way, allow me to expand a little on a post I'd made at the start of january.
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2220704&postcount=2080
Apparently, it made Lyte go away for quite a few weeks, perhaps this one will, as well.

Lyte's "untainted" witness list:
J. El Kournayti - Elite Research Team will try to pin him down on the same semantics they already tried with J. O'Keefe. He will say the plane flew directly above him and they will take that statement literally. He did not see the plane crash into Pentagon. Being more than a mile away, he did not see the plane fly over the Pentagon.

C. Reyes - her statement will not make a difference between the "official" or Elite plane's trajectory. "Both" planes would fly to her north, but I'm sure Elite Researchers will milk her statement as far as it will go. She did not see the plane hit the Pentagon. Being about a mile away, she did not see the plane fly over the Pentagon. Some of her relatives, friends or neighbours might also appear in the video.

D. Symmes - his statement will not make a difference as to the plane's trajectory. "Both" planes would fly to his south. As he was located on Columbia Pike on 9/11, just west of Sheraton Hotel, they will probably use his statement to negate some other witnesses who claimed the plane flew in right over Columbia Pike.

E. Paik
S. Paik - brothers will say the plane swerved to the north from the Columbia Pike and that it flew over the Navy Annex. Elite Research Team will focus on the flyover bit, trying to emphasise that it flew *completely* above the annex. The Paik brothers did not see the plane hit the Pentagon. Located between the Navy Annex and the Sheraton, they did not see the plane fly over the Pentagon either.

Main Citgo witness - he did not see the plane crash into the Pentagon. He did not see the plane fly over the CITGO. He did not see the plane fly over the Pentagon. He'd only seen it for a moment, as it flew over the Washington Bulevard, pulling up over the road. Elite Research Team will focus on the "pulling up" statement, ignoring the part where the witness speaks about not seeing the crash, because of the highway ridge being in the way. They will overlook the witness' statement how he only extrapolated plane's path to the north of CITGO from the short moment he'd seen it pull up over the Washington Blvrd.
The Team will not provide details of their interview procedures or how their contact with the witness might've had affected his statements. The witness was interviewed in person on at least two occasions, a few telephone calls were made and he drew pictures. Elite Researchers will not present the details how his story might've changed under the influence of the interviewers.

Citgo witness' boss - she did not see the plane at all and only knows about it, because her employee told her about it. She might not be the Citgo witness #2. My source was scarce on this.

Previously known witnesses:
William Lagasse (Citgo witness #3) - Elite Researchers will sink their teeth in Lagasse's statement about being on the starboard side of the plane, as it flew above him. They might've even gotten him to draw pictures. If that is the case, the Elite Team seems to think they are in a win-win situation. If the sceptics/debunkers take his account, along with a neat drawing, as undeniable truth, than the official government story falls. In the boxed-in world of Lyte/Merc, where everyone has infalliable memory, they seem to think that if the sceptics/debunkers fail to fully acknowledge his story and drawing, then a Pentagon employee (Pentagon police Defence Protective Service officer) and a strong supporter of official story, will be proved a liar.

Chadwick Brooks (Citgo witness #4) - I'm not sure how he fits in all this, except if they made him draw a picture, in which case the same imagined win-win situation occurs, as Mr. Brooks is also Pentagon police force officer. Elite Research Team is convinced, sceptics will be forced to acknowledge his story or call him a liar.

Stephen McGraw - former marine, turned Opus Dei priest, yaddayaddayadda...
Mike Walter - USA Today journalist shill, yaddayaddayadda... but burgers were good though.
Lloyd England - see-saw light pole, shill, liar, yaddayaddayadda...

The list is apparently not complete and might not be entirely accurate (I'm not too sure about Mr. Walter and Mr. England appearing in the film), but it does come from Lyte's significant other - Merc himself.

Lyte, how will you reconcile your flight path with an unperturbed plume from the Pentagon crash? Do you realize that wake turbulence behind medium and large aircrafts can linger for minutes?

Will you provide detailed timelines for your interviews? You had interviewed at least some of the witnesses on different occasions. I would love to go over your interview procedures.

Does any of your witnesses stand to gain profit from your DVD sales?

How will you address the lack of evidence, physical evidence, if you like, for your flyover plane? How will you address the lack of flyover witness accounts?

You claim the explosion was intentionally designed to attract attention away from the plane and to fool the observers who were in a position to see the impact. For the sake of argument, let's say I agree. The explosion does attract attention. Thus it also attracts attention of witnesses from other sides of the Pentagon/Arlington/D.C.. But as those people would turn towards the explosion, they would be in the "perfect vantage point" to see the plane fly over. Where are they?

Was the explosion also timed to the precise moment when the plane turned on its cloaking device or did the plane accelerate so fast that it left the scene (whole Arlington, D.C., south Maryland area) in less than a few tenths of a second? What happened to flyover plane's engine sound?

When your film gets torn to shreds, will you still post the 4-hour researcher version?

Will there be a Pentacon: Second Edition version?
 
Now I understand why Lyte continued to imply that the "witness testimony" would get "us" to disbelieve science, logic, and evidence- because he thinks that it truly is about defending "the official story". So, to him, if they get someone who wears the "official story merit badge" and then either impugn his character, or show that he supports their concocted version of the events- he will represent "us" and they can beat one huge strawman to death with techno music and CGI...

They honestly believe there will be a conflict between supporting an individual who "believes the official story" but is wrong on certain facts, and just stating the facts and saying that someone who believes the "official story" can be wrong.

Boy, will they be surprised...
 
When their interpretation of the witnesses is examined, especially in light of past comments by the "filmmakers" themselves a lot will be explained.

Then Lagassese will be examined in light of his two interviews - one officially recorded and the other via email.

We'll compare the Citgo witnesses modified accounts to Merc's original interview and claims. As well as his location and actions in the Citgo video.

Fortunately Chadwick Brookes has an officially recorded interview in the past too for comparison.

If the selected portions of these new statements canonized by the "filmmakers" are 100% accurate then we will of course have to account for any past contradictions or factual errors from the same witnesses.
 
I hope that felt good.

Maybe a nap and a smoke?

Or you could read the disclaimer on my site and inquire as to the nature of my future goals with it - but that would be honest!

Then take your site down. Same old story for months. I did read your disclaimer.

But you keep changing you web site and telling the same old lie.

I know it is out dated but.... Try a new line.

Russell! I read you book on how to be a truther and not say anything, your bible of propaganda was published. I read it.

Your statement I am working on the web site, I am too busy, is to play others so you can mislead others.

Silly lazy old Russell, your book is out, you are just a truther who knows you are misleading and you never intend to fix your web site or you would do it now.

I could change it in minutes. You have had months.

Give me the FTP and I will fix your web site.

Russell, here is how: run FTP, edit page, FTP new page. done

That takes minutes. Minutes. Do you have a minute. You just posted enough to fix three pages.

Why lie about even thinking about fixing what you will not?
 
When their interpretation of the witnesses is examined, especially in light of past comments by the "filmmakers" themselves a lot will be explained.

Then Lagassese will be examined in light of his two interviews - one officially recorded and the other via email.

We'll compare the Citgo witnesses modified accounts to Merc's original interview and claims. As well as his location and actions in the Citgo video.

Fortunately Chadwick Brookes has an officially recorded interview in the past too for comparison.

If the selected portions of these new statements canonized by the "filmmakers" are 100% accurate then we will of course have to account for any past contradictions or factual errors from the same witnesses.

In your epiphany regarding the Pentagon- you didn't learn something about the methods of conspiracism, proper use of logic, and the many fallacies that are stretched and pulled by conspiracists?

When there is a conflict- what will it mean? How will you know the truth? And how can you apply this event to the rest of the events of that day?
 
Then take your site down. Same old story for months. I did read your disclaimer.

But you keep changing you web site and telling the same old lie.

I know it is out dated but.... Try a new line.

Russell! I read you book on how to be a truther and not say anything, your bible of propaganda was published. I read it.

Your statement I am working on the web site, I am too busy, is to play others so you can mislead others.

Silly lazy old Russell, your book is out, you are just a truther who knows you are misleading and you never intend to fix your web site or you would do it now.

I could change it in minutes. You have had months.

Give me the FTP and I will fix your web site.

Russell, here is how: run FTP, edit page, FTP new page. done

That takes minutes. Minutes. Do you have a minute. You just posted enough to fix three pages.

Why lie about even thinking about fixing what you will not?

sigh

May we stick to the topic of this thread?
 

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