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King of the Americas said:
I didn't remark as to who DID do it.

I said if you can replicate one of these with modern hand tools, that I'd kiss your feet.

So, go buy yourself a carbide tipped chisel and start working.

Let me know when you are done...
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Are you saying that they had advanced technology? Where is any evidence that the people there had any special technology? All we have is something mysteriously made. No need to speculate and fill in the gaps with no evidence.
 
Zanders said:
Are you saying that they had advanced technology? Where is any evidence that the people there had any special technology? All we have is something mysteriously made. No need to speculate and fill in the gaps with no evidence.
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If you CAN'T replicate this work with modern hand tools, then clearly someone back then had 'advanced technology'...

What we have in Puma Punku is something IMPOSSIBLE to make with stone age tools.

Then again, maybe I'm wrong. Pick up a stone age chisel and prove it.

My current offer remains, leave the stone age tools out of it. Carving a 90 degree angle out of granite is tough. Diorite is even harder.
 
King of the Americas said:
If you CAN'T replicate this work with modern hand tools, then clearly someone back then had 'advanced technology'...

What we have in Puma Punku is something IMPOSSIBLE to make with stone age tools.

Then again, maybe I'm wrong. Pick up a stone age chisel and prove it.

My current offer remains, leave the stone age tools out of it. Carving a 90 degree angle out of granite is tough. Diorite is even harder.
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Why would the Incas pick up a "stone age chisel" to make something in 500 A.D., when they already had metal tools for 2,500 years? These arguments from incredulity always seem to have a fatal flaw, don't they?

ETA - granite? Try sandstone. Sheesh.

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The largest of these stone blocks is 7.81 meters long, 5.17 meters wide, averages 1.07 meters thick, and is estimated to weigh about 131 metric tons. The second largest stone block found within the Pumapunka is 7.90 meters long, 2.50 meters wide, and averages 1.86 meters thick. Its weight has been estimated to be 85.21 metric tons. Both of these stone blocks are part of the Plataforma Lítica and composed of red sandstone.
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RoboTimbo said:
I'm virtually certain that I can't recreate it. Does that mean that it is impossible for humans to accomplish?
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No, it means that stone age man probably didn't do it either...

I've carved on granite. I employed a carbide tipped chisel, and diamond tipped Drumel tools.

It took me months to remove 9 letters worth of stone about 1/8th of an inch deep.

It wasn't until I laid hands on this work that I got a sincere appreciation for the work those stones represent.

I am not even certain we could accomplish the work with modern CNC machines...

The 'corner work' looks more like the stones were molded rather than chiseled.
 
carlitos said:
Your source is wrong full of crap. They were built in the second half of the first century, not during the stone age! They are made of sandstone.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pumapunku
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Wikipedia is your source...?

Not exactly a scholarly source. I mean 'I' could change the page right now to say they are diorite or even unobtainium.

That is the first time I've ever heard of the stones being sandstone.

Sandstone is very soft, and I doubt seriously that ALL the stones there are made of it, simply by the lack of weathering.
 
King of the Americas said:
No, it means that stone age man probably didn't do it either...

I've carved on granite. I employed a carbide tipped chisel, and diamond tipped Drumel tools.

It took me months to remove 9 letters worth of stone about 1/8th of an inch deep.

It wasn't until I laid hands on this work that I got a sincere appreciation for the work those stones represent.

I am not even certain we could accomplish the work with modern CNC machines...

The 'corner work' looks more like the stones were molded rather than chiseled.
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And monumental masons (ie, the people who make headstones) do this sort of thing all day every day, use granite, and DON'T take months to make a single headstone.

Who knew? Technique as much as technology makes a difference.
 
King of the Americas said:
No, it means that stone age man probably didn't do it either...

I've carved on granite. I employed a carbide tipped chisel, and diamond tipped Drumel tools.

It took me months to remove 9 letters worth of stone about 1/8th of an inch deep.

It wasn't until I laid hands on this work that I got a sincere appreciation for the work those stones represent.

I am not even certain we could accomplish the work with modern CNC machines...

The 'corner work' looks more like the stones were molded rather than chiseled.
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Here's a piece of silicon. Make a computer chip out of it. What's that you say? You don't know how? Are you now going to tell me that computers are of alien manufacture? Too hard for you?

Ok, here's some marble and a steel chisel. Make a replica of the statue of David. Aliens must have made it, you say?
 
BTMO said:
And monumental masons (ie, the people who make headstones) do this sort of thing all day every day, use granite, and DON'T take months to make a single headstone.

Who knew? Technique as much as technology makes a difference.
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Right, they employ sandblasters...they can carve a name in about a half an hour and go twice as deep as I did.

So, when did compressor technology hit the market?

Most masons use air hammers to rough out stone, then go to hand tools for the finer work.

Go buy a compressor and get after it. As an amateur stone mason I'd LOVE to see someone replicate that work.
 
King of the Americas said:
Right, they employ sandblasters...they can carve a name in about a half an hour and go twice as deep as I did.

So, when did compressor technology hit the market?

Most masons use air hammers to rough out stone, then go to hand tools for the finer work.

Go buy a compressor and get after it. As an amateur stone mason I'd LOVE to see someone replicate that work.
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I'd LOVE to see you recreate the statue of David, even if you have to do it in softer sandstone like they used at Pumapunku.
 
RoboTimbo said:
Here's a piece of silicon. Make a computer chip out of it. What's that you say? You don't know how? Are you now going to tell me that computers are of alien manufacture? Too hard for you?

Ok, here's some marble and a steel chisel. Make a replica of the statue of David. Aliens must have made it, you say?
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Alright.

IF you can find ANYONE who can replicate that work, I'll kiss both your feet and theirs.

David was carved out of marble. After working with granite, I understand why he chose that medium.

Gian Lorenzo Bernini's work is equally impressive: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Rape_of_Proserpina
 
King of the Americas said:
Right, they employ sandblasters...they can carve a name in about a half an hour and go twice as deep as I did.

So, when did compressor technology hit the market?

Most masons use air hammers to rough out stone, then go to hand tools for the finer work.

Go buy a compressor and get after it. As an amateur stone mason I'd LOVE to see someone replicate that work.
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I wonder how headstones were made, oh, say 100 years ago...
 
Quit using such biased and speculative sources. Clearly what you have been reading has false information.


King of the Americas said:
Wikipedia is your source...?

Not exactly a scholarly source. I mean 'I' could change the page right now to say they are diorite or even unobtainium.

That is the first time I've ever heard of the stones being sandstone.

Sandstone is very soft, and I doubt seriously that ALL the stones there are made of it, simply by the lack of weathering.
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Check the citations on wikipedia to determine whether the information is from a reliable sources or not. I'm sure it is more academic than the ancient astronaut sites you are using.
 
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