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Yes. the ruins of a city that we believe may be Troy were found...

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My point in bringing it up, was the before it was found, it was thought to be merely fictional.

It took someone 'believing' it was real to go look for it.

Yet its existence was not conditional upon anyone believing in it. It was a real city before it was found.
 
You've missed my point. While I don't believe in aliens, I do conclude that there is something intelligent in our heavens, that isn't us.

The historical record is littered with tales and pictures of E.T's or heavenly agents.

They have always been 'up there', and I hold that they may have even evolved here, long ago, and simply ascended to the heavens.

Since they ascended why do you think they want to descend?
 
They've ALWAYS existed. Our awareness of them began when the first person saw them, except that the awareness stayed with the initial reporter AND those who took his sighting as truth, and did not penetrate the walls of science.

'I' am amazed that you are still ignoring the heart of the argument here.

Dismissing anecdotes of unknown entities is STUPID.

Saying that someone couldn't have possibly seen what they propose, because said entity is presently unknown to science, won't lead to new discoveries.

Many think they are blazing new trails when they are actually hopelessly lost in the forest.
 
Only one side of the moon 'faces' Earth...

Didn't the first Apollo mission to orbit the moon return from the dark side to report, "Santa Clause does exist."...?

Now, please don't take this to mean me saying "They DO exist 'on the moon'." as my stance.

I am merely saying it is one possibility.

How much evidence of our existence will still be around 2,000 years from now?

I thought the notthealiens existed now?
 
No, let's go back to the birds and the bees. Somone get me Salma Hayak.
What a pity that we've previously established that you don't have the expertise to make this judgement.

Now that's cheesecake!
 
Here´s the simple version:

Most of the ocean's bottom is oceanic crust composed by basalts; its almost 3km below the sea's surface, in average. Maximum global sea levels changes are around + 500m in relation to the present sea level (we have a pretty good track of this along the Phanerozoic thanks to the oil industry). This means most of the oceans' bottoms have never been exposed above sea level; actually these areas have nerver been even close to the maximum sun light penetration depth.

Continental crust, on the other hand, is composed by less dense rocks such as granites, covered by a thin veneer of sedimentary rocks. Vast inland seas like the one which once covered lots of North America back when dinosaurs ruled the Earth were shallow seas (no, its not the case of the Mediterranean sea) whose bottoms were composed by continental crust. These probably were the seas where the fossil seashells at you backyard lived. They were most likely created by a combination of elevated global sea level and relatively small and slow continental crust subsidence during sedimentary basin formation.

In sum, the geologic records do not show any vertical movements large enough to bring a large area composed of oceanic crust above sea level (small slices may be smashed and uplifed where tectonic plates collide) or to bring down (and later up) large chuncks of continental crust down to the same level of the oceans' bottom. No, that's not what subduction does.

And by the way, we have pretty good maps of the oceans' bottoms by now. We know the topography and geology. OK, its not in the same level of detail we know the continents, but the major features are known. But guess what? Nothing which could be related to Atlantis, Mu, Lemuria, Hyperboria, etc. has ever been found. Nothing which could be related to the infrastructure an underwater technological civilization would require has ever been found too.

I just saw a TV show where they used a computer sim to drain the oceans. No notthealiens cities there.
 
My point in bringing it up, was the before it was found, it was thought to be merely fictional.

It took someone 'believing' it was real to go look for it.

Yet its existence was not conditional upon anyone believing in it. It was a real city before it was found.
Yes, people believed in Troy and found it. People have believed in Atlantis and looked and looked and tried and tried, but no Atlantis has been found. The likeliest explanation for that is that there is no Atlantis to find because Plato made it up. By contrast, Troy was believed mythical for some time, but when Schliemann decided to look for it, he found it. You seem to be working backwards here, and I continue to be amused, if not surprised, by your choice of examples. The fact that real things are found when looked for is not a good example to bring up when you are arguing for something which has been looked for and never found.
 
I thought they said "Today is a great day for you to die!"
If you mean Megan Fox and Olivia Wilde saying that to me... mmmmmmmmmm! Can't wait!

Now if its the Klingons, no, they say "Today is a great day to die" - Heghlu'meH QaQ jajvam

But the sky demons will say "Today is a great day for you to die!" when they land.
 
It took someone 'believing' it was real to go look for it.

I suppose the fact that the person who found it was an amateur archaeologist who coincedentally happened to own the land which half the city was buried in and that the location had been suspected as Troy for over 50 years at that point is irrelevant when youre making stuff up again
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Calvert
:p
 
I just saw a TV show where they used a computer sim to drain the oceans. No notthealiens cities there.

We can also rule ou the Moon and Mars- imagery show no signs of artificial structures. Venus is too hot and the pressure is overwhelming. We are left with some moons from Jupiter and Saturn. No signs of artificial structures at the icemoons, too. Titan seems to be the only one left, since we can not image its surface very well (not sure if the signs of an advanced civilization would fail to be noticed in the imagery we have from it).

Back here there are no signs of the natural resources harvesting an advanced technologic civilization would need have made and also no signs of the hardware it would have created.

The gap to hide the aliens is pretty narrow.
 
Especially when it is irrelevant to the issue at hand...

Although, I must say I am not at all surprised that there were some sexy Neanderthals that managed to hook up with our Sapien ancestors. Their existence overlapped by like 10,000 years, after all.

And this 'overlap' is what is important. The Sapiens took off while the Neanderthals pretty much died off.

I DON'T think the 'one drop rule' applies here. We aren't Neanderthals.

The nod went to the Sapiens, some of which dabbled in the horizontal arts with a few Neanderthals.

If you studied a bit more about evolutionary biology and other such topics, you would see that the alien intervention interbreeding theories are very flawed. They twist up and skew information, while cherry picking or excluding the parts that don't fit.

Atlantis was never real. The original story of Atlantis wasn't meant to be true, people just ran with it and people like you perpetuate it.
Also, why couldn't we have built the pyramids? Just because you lack information doesn't mean you should ignorantly speculate.

Some people are just fantasy-prone, I guess. If it's what makes your life exciting...
 
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We can also rule ou the Moon and Mars- imagery show no signs of artificial structures. Venus is too hot and the pressure is overwhelming. We are left with some moons from Jupiter and Saturn. No signs of artificial structures at the icemoons, too. Titan seems to be the only one left, since we can not image its surface very well (not sure if the signs of an advanced civilization would fail to be noticed in the imagery we have from it).

Back here there are no signs of the natural resources harvesting an advanced technologic civilization would need have made and also no signs of the hardware it would have created.

The gap to hide the aliens is pretty narrow.
KoA doesn't seem to want to talk about this. I guess it's easier to leave it with a vague "up there" so he doesn't have to face the conspicious absence of his ETs in the solar ayatem.
 
KoA doesn't seem to want to talk about this. I guess it's easier to leave it with a vague "up there" so he doesn't have to face the conspicious absence of his ETs in the solar ayatem.

It is easier to simply say I don't know where they reside.

The only thing we know is that they have always been 'up there' and or nearby.
 
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We don't know how they did it. It was aliens/Gods/angels/demons. Ignore all other possible and more likely theories, they are boring.

I didn't remark as to who DID do it.

I said if you can replicate one of these with modern hand tools, that I'd kiss your feet.

So, go buy yourself a carbide tipped chisel and start working.

Let me know when you are done...
 

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