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Pure Argent said:
Atlantis was a story told by Plato to illustrate some of his philosophical ideas. It was never meant as a literal account of history.

Try checking your facts.
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Really...?

What was "Troy" before it was found, but a fictional city within a fictional tale?

Then again, saying it isn't real means you never have to look for it.
 
Sledge said:
No, let's go back to the birds and the bees. Somone get me Salma Hayak.
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OK!

I'll get Olivia Wilde and Megan Fox!

As the Klingons would say, "Today is a great day to die!"
 
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KotA, you want me to explain -again- why what you wrote about sunken civilizations is very wrong?

And also why fossils at your backyard are NOT evidence that a sunken civilization may be lying way down below the the oceans where you wanna be?
 
Sledge said:
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What a pity that we've previously established that you don't have the expertise to make this judgement.
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Argument from authority, fallacy?

ONLY backwards...

Having had 'enough' experience identifying airborne craft, I trust my ability to say what I saw operated outside the normal limitations of terrestrial craft.
 
King of the Americas said:
Admittedly, I only read the second link.

The interesting thing I found there was that skeptics immediately jumped to "ball lightening"...or some other such nonsense, without seriously investigating the sighting.

Truth is best served by serious investigation...
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Did you read all the way to the end of the article?

Ball lightening was found not to be the explanation...
Because of serious sceptical investigation.

The Pilot thought he was seeing flying craft that were operating in a way not humanly possible. The military officials upon seeing his FLIR video of them and taking into account his perception of what he'd seen also concurred with him.

The fact that what the pilot saw was neither flying nor beyond what is humanly possible is testament to the fallibility of perception and a warning to those who simply accept human perceptions without verifiable evidence. The verifiable evidence in this case (the FLIR video, well documented flight path of the plane in question etc.) contradicted just about every aspect of the pilot's perceptions of the event.
 
King of the Americas said:
Having had 'enough' experience identifying airborne craft, I trust my ability to say what I saw operated outside the normal limitations of terrestrial craft.
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I'm also sure that the trained and qualified military pilot at Campeche also had 'enough' experience identifying airborne craft.
 
King of the Americas said:
Argument from authority, fallacy?

ONLY backwards...

Having had 'enough' experience identifying airborne craft, I trust my ability to say what I saw operated outside the normal limitations of terrestrial craft.
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Nope. You do not have the experience and knowledge necessary to determine that whatever you saw was performing maneuvers beyond the capability of human-built aircraft. You may trust that you are able to do so, but you are wrong. That you cannot see why will come as no surprise to anyone reading this thread. Your whole argument has devolved to "I can't remember what I saw with any accuracy, but that's no reason to doubt what I'm saying."
 
King of the Americas said:
Yes.
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Here´s the simple version:

Most of the ocean's bottom is oceanic crust composed by basalts; its almost 3km below the sea's surface, in average. Maximum global sea levels changes are around + 500m in relation to the present sea level (we have a pretty good track of this along the Phanerozoic thanks to the oil industry). This means most of the oceans' bottoms have never been exposed above sea level; actually these areas have nerver been even close to the maximum sun light penetration depth.

Continental crust, on the other hand, is composed by less dense rocks such as granites, covered by a thin veneer of sedimentary rocks. Vast inland seas like the one which once covered lots of North America back when dinosaurs ruled the Earth were shallow seas (no, its not the case of the Mediterranean sea) whose bottoms were composed by continental crust. These probably were the seas where the fossil seashells at you backyard lived. They were most likely created by a combination of elevated global sea level and relatively small and slow continental crust subsidence during sedimentary basin formation.

In sum, the geologic records do not show any vertical movements large enough to bring a large area composed of oceanic crust above sea level (small slices may be smashed and uplifed where tectonic plates collide) or to bring down (and later up) large chuncks of continental crust down to the same level of the oceans' bottom. No, that's not what subduction does.

And by the way, we have pretty good maps of the oceans' bottoms by now. We know the topography and geology. OK, its not in the same level of detail we know the continents, but the major features are known. But guess what? Nothing which could be related to Atlantis, Mu, Lemuria, Hyperboria, etc. has ever been found. Nothing which could be related to the infrastructure an underwater technological civilization would require has ever been found too.
 
King of the Americas said:
I am merely saying it is one possibility.
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Marcus said:
The moon has been very well observed in the years since Apollo, most recently by the LRO (Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter). Other countries have gotten into the act also, China is on their second moon probe. Farside has been observed using numerous imaging technologies. No civilization there.
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I think we can safely eliminate the Moon as a hiding place for your domestic ETs. Where else do you think that they might be hiding?
 
King of the Americas said:
Really...?

What was "Troy" before it was found, but a fictional city within a fictional tale?
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Theres Troy and then theres the Illiad, one is real and the other is a poem, do you know the difference ?
King of the Americas said:
Then again, saying it isn't real means you never have to look for it.
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But people did look for the origin of the myth, and they found it, thats something you've never done, you believed for instance that the reference to grasshoppers in Exodus meant that the Anakim were giants, when it actually meant that the Anakim were outnumbered, thats because you were believing the woo about giants and not reading what was written in front of you.

Likewise you have taken a claim made on a ufo show about underwater lights and started using it as an analogy, when in fact, ten minutes research would have shown you the claim to be completely unfounded, yet again, you didn't bother to do that research and when I did it for you, you became wilfully ignorant because you think other people wouldn't notice. They did, you got busted, you resorted to flaming people as you have here then you got suspended for telling someone to kill themselves. You've learned nothing, your type doesn't, ignorance and fantasy makes you happy because youre a sheep.
Thats why you have people on ignore, its no coincedence that people you ignore are the ones showing you empirical evidence contrary to your beliefs, so you ignore them hoping the evidence will go away, it never will though, its empirical
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King of the Americas said:
Really...?

What was "Troy" before it was found, but a fictional city within a fictional tale?

Then again, saying it isn't real means you never have to look for it.
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Yes. the ruins of a city that we believe may be Troy were found. However it is a big step between accepting that Troy existed and accepting that the Greek gods really were involved in a major battle for said city.

An ancient city, on a major sea-trade rout, with buildings and artifacts appropriate to the time period in which it would have been lived in, is not an extraordinary thing. The only quibble would be whether it was called Troy.

Gods swooping down from the skies, possessing mortals and fighting in their wars is a bizarre thing that only shows up in stories. We have never seen it happen outside of stories, we have no physical evidence of ever happening anytime, anywhere.

Thus, proving that the gods existed would require a whole heck of a lot more evidence then proving that a very normal city in a very normal place once existed.
 
Not to mention that the wars fought by these gods should have left traces behind. Not even a vimana part was kept as relic? Not even a bolt?

No, there are no reliable evidence that Harappa was hit by a nuke. Its woolore.
 
dafydd said:
I did try to point that out to him earlier on.
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Must have missed that.

Of course the whole idea that aliens would value the same thing that we value overlooks the fact that they are aliens.

I'm reminded of an SF short story where the aliens wanted cow-patties.

I think it was "The Big Pat Boom".
 
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